Pop Artists doing more Freestyle than freestyle artists

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First off, I replied in some way to this thread on another post (the Kylie Minogue & Lisa Lisa one).

ANYWAYZ,
Freestyle artists had some Pop songs, & some Pop artists had Freestyle songs. - It was an 80's/early 90's thang.

Back to the origin of the this thread, its kinda true.
NO, ..todays artists are NOT doing more Freestyle songs, BUT, they ARE using Freestyle & Breakdance ELEMENTS in their music & sound. Or other 80's dancy-music influences. & The truth is, ..its catching on.
From Dance artists, to R&B, Hip-Hop, & even to Britney & Justin.
Today most artists are influenced immensly by the 80's sound, even New Wave & Rock.

& NO, Madonna WAS NOT, & IS NOT Freestyle, but working back in the day with producers & mixers such as: JELLYBEAN BENITEZ, THE LATIN RASCALS, & JUNIOR VASQUEZ, its no wonder that her music carried similar sounds.
"INTO THE GROOVE", to many, IS a "Freestyle-ish" record, (again, I said "Freestyle-ISH"), & I remember it was mixed back in da day with Freestyle & Breakdance records.
Regardless, Freestyle music's roots ARE Disco & Breakdance, (as with HIP HOP), & that was the scene that Madonna came from in NYC during the late 70's & early 80's. So she IS a part of that history somewhere down the line in her earlier years, but NOT a Freestyle artist.
& No one can change that!

BOTH Freestyle & Hip Hop's roots trace back to Breakdance, & Disco, & both always pay homage to Afrika Bambaataa, etc, etc.

To many, ALISHA, was NOT a freestyle artist, but more Dance-Pop like Madonna. If u ask me, both her & Madonna's earlier Dance records sound VERY similar.

Taylor Dayne isnt a Freestyle artist, but had some slammin' Freestyle & Dance records!
Jody Watley had "Dont You Want Me", Janet had "Pleasure Principle", Paula had "Knocked Out", etc, etc.
Not Freestyle artists, but releasing some hott records, that to many, fall in the Freestyle genre.

& Freestyle is a form of Pop music anyway!
& It's artists did Pop & R&B too, ...even Rock!

Safire's "Let Me Be The One" is considered a "Freestyle Classic", but just listen to those rockin' guitar riffs.
I LOVE & adore Ms Safire, but to me, Jody Watley's "Dont You Want Me" & Samantha Fox's "Naughty Girls" are more of a Freestyle record than Safire's "Let Me Be The One", or Sweet Sensation's "Love Child", (for example).

& Who am I or anyone to say what "IS" Freestyle anyway!

TKA's "One Way Love" is COMPLETELY different from
SWEET SENSATION's "Sincerely Yours",

which is COMPLETELY different from
CORINA's "Temptation",
which is completely different from
DEBBIE DEB's "When I Hear Music",

which is completely different from
EXPOSE's "Exposed To Love"
which is completely different from
LISA LISA & CULT JAM's "Can U Feel The Beat"

which is Completely different from
COMPANY B's "Fascinated"
which is completely different from CYNTHIA & JOHNNY O's "Dreamboy/Dreamgirl"

YET, ....they are ALL considered FREESTYLE!!!

Who gives a phuk, as long as u feel it, & it makes u dance, ...thats all that really matters!
And if its from the 80's, or a Freestyle artist,
....even better!
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Company B said:
Taylor Dayne isnt a Freestyle artist, but had some slammin' Freestyle & Dance records!

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This is one fellow long islander I INTEND ON NOT SUPPORTING as per her statment at her show in my hood over the summer: " I live in Europe NOW and I feel a lot safer than I do here"

EEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!
 
Company B said:
Who gives a phuk, as long as u feel it, & it makes u dance, ...thats all that really matters!
And if its from the 80's, or a Freestyle artist,
....even better!
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THE FANS CARE!!

Come on, I got bashed when I went into a INFORMATION SOCIETY die hard site and inquired about them bein "freestyle." I swear, if i was phyically there, they would have beat the hell outta me!

they said they were NEVER, EVER FREESTYLE. although thier music had a freestyle sound on 1 or 2 songs, to them, they were SYNTH with the POP sound.

listen to some DEPECHE MODE. they have the freestyle beat. but are they freestyle? NOPE!!

Just like other types of music, freestyle too, has its boundries.
 
K7 tka said:
kenny i respect you dude but your off on the hip hop freestyle thing except it freestyle came from hip hop and its influence
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That's what I've been trying to tell everyone, but many people don't believe me and its the fault of all the popular "freestyle artists" ditching the realness and doing pop music. In a true hip hop mentality, there is nothing worse than pop music from an artist that was originally street. That's why this is bothering me so much.
 
to me, HIP HOP was much bigger than freestyle was. You have to admit that. yes, it was very underground in the begining like HIP HOP and it didnt please "everyone" but you get that in many genres of music.

but hip hop was so much bigger. the 2 had its similarities but yet were so diverse. Freestyle dealt with "love, love, love" and hip hop went all over the board. It had no boundries. Freestyle, unfortunetly, stayed with one important human trait.
 
even rapp deals with love .behind the money chasing rappers complain bout there lack of love .freestyle needed to have a more rounded view of love and it could have done more with subject matter ala stevie b party your body but it just focus on the pain of failed loved so it became stale to alot of listeners .but they are[hip hop and freestyle] twins not identical but paternal ones born from the same cells and taking different roads in life to maturity .we need to learn to go beyond what we did before
 
Broaden their horizons, but how? and in what direction? The whole point I've been trying to make is that freestyle artists are abandoning freestyle in favor of watered down pop music that's very predictable. It's all about money, no creativity. Back in the day, artists were very creative and that's a big part of what helped bring in the money. I'm am very open minded in my view of freestyle and the following are examples of what I consider to be freestyle that other people wouldn't conventionally consider: Usher & Fabulous "Yeah" (It's street singing over a hard hip hop track) which is different from Madonna's "Music" which is different from K7 singing over "I'm Leaving" beats which is different from 112's "It's Over Now" (remember how the basic drum beat was exactly like Mobb Deep's "Real Hip Hop") and all this is different from Zulu Nation looking for the Perfect Beat (I consider breakbeat tracks to be freestyle) which is different from Noel "The Question" (Latin Hip Hop Freestyle). I think that's a pretty diverse range of music that I think could be classified as freestyle. But that's not what these "Freestyle Legends" are doing nowadays. They're just copying the watered down pop formula of R&B with pop and a touch of euro or pop house. That's why everyone calls it selling out. It's obvious when an artist is being different because they're creative and when they're being different because they're just gunnin' for doh. Pop music is so weak. I wanna take freestyle back to the streets, back home to where it all started so it could find itself again and escape from this dark cloud that won't stop following it as all its own has turned on it and left it for dead. The situation has gone too far. A new beginning is what's needed. There has to be a movement and one that actually stands for something.
 
there was a movment BUT many fans were not going along with it. lets face it, lets rewind to 1992. what if gloria gaynor came out with a song that sounded exactly like a disco tune. do you think it would be accepted? NOPE!!!!! The stations would laugh at her and tell her to stick to social security or something.

samething with freestyle. how can you expect an arist to come out with another freestyle track when its been dead for so many years?
 
fh listen you keep using the sell out thing each time you talk, and how artist have abandon freestyle for watered down pop thats true we have cuz for the most part its all we can do to survive . if i just sold records to you guys here on cf i would not make much money to feed myself to knock that is crazy .look at it this way .the company went out of business we need to find a job .but there are no xcompanies hiring me for what i'm known for they want me to be like the younger guys and sell to a younger consumer who thinks my way is old and wack so alot of us got with the programand found a way back in the game .. i've been label free and performing constantly for 5 years now and the only label doing freestyle has not reached out to me for sh!t so what am i or my peers to do wait around or make a living . i'm glad you want to stand up for freestyle but get on line with the rest of us and push we'll knock down the wall soon enough but know this you won't be happy once you get it back cause it won't be the same
 
K7:
I am curious to know what you think about my view of expanding freestyle's horizons? How are some of the songs I listed not up to date or with today's program? By the way, I think the Usher track has Ludarcris on it, not Fabulous but that's probably not relevent here. Keep in mind that some of the songs I mentioned are among the top selling songs in America. Also, don't you think that freestyle abandoning its hip hop roots is partly to blame in freestyle's downfall. Freestyle artists distanced themselves from hip hop and its aspects/elements and style back in the day because hip hop was too street back then and not as commercially marketable as it soon thereafter became. I personally feel that if freestyle would have represented itself as a part of hip hop all along, it would also have gotten to share in the benefits of the world's huge interest in hip hop. It's kinda like a girl leaving a guy because he's "too low class" for her, but then soon after he makes it real big.
 
What IS a "Freestyle Artist" anyway?

Can a "Freestyle Artist" record a track that isn't freestyle?

and

can a NON-FREESTYLE artist record a track that IS?

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Yo, freestyle is just a genre of music. It doesn't belong to any one artist or time.
 
Well If Freestyle artists convert in to pop to increase sales, Why is it that the new sound always sucks and the new album flops?? Ill tell you why: 1st of all the only people who buy freestyle artist albums are freestyle heads!! No one else cares!!

Look what happened to Angelina. Her 1st album was mind blowing!! Its the freestyle that got her her fans and its the freestyle that got her Radio Play! So what doese Angelina do Next?? She drops another Album with less freestyle on it to show the world shes diverse and can do POP and R&B.

Problem?? No one noticed or cared because the only people who bought her album was her freestyle fans!!

So That Album was a dissapointment ...........So Along comes Highly Anticipated Album #3...........And Again, By This time Freestyle has one foot in the grave and what doese UpStaires Records do ?? Release another album with very little freestyle and alot of well^^^ I dont even know what that was , but it wasnt freestyle.

So you have all thease freestyle Junkies run and get her album and well, The rest is history.

So how do you think her new albums did, with less freestyle and more of todays music?? *******HORRIBLE!!! The only peaople who bought both her new albums were freestylers!!! No one else would buy Angelinas album!! For What?? Shes a Freestyle Artist Remember?

No offence to any one here but, I felt the same way with the last TKA. I mean Who in The hell bought that CD that was NOT a freestyler ready for some new TKA Freestyle? Why try to attract new fans when it means spitting at your old fans, You know the ones who made thease artists big? Just my Oppinion But It makes sence!
 
Well said Megatron. That was definitely one of the realest things I've heard or read in a long time. It's just so true!
 
YOUNG MEGATRON said:
No offence to any one here but, I felt the same way with the last TKA. I mean Who in The hell bought that CD that was NOT a freestyler ready for some new TKA Freestyle? Why try to attract new fans when it means spitting at your old fans, You know the ones who made thease artists big? Just my Oppinion But It makes sence!
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You have good points there but when i asked around (i asked people that were not on the net) one guy said he was upset because there was no freestyle then i asked another guy and he said "i bought the album because im a fan of TKA's" he also added "i dont care if they sing freestyle or not, as long as they sing."

Is it me or did everyone forget the nasty comments they received after releasing "WHEN WILL I C U AGAIN" stating "it wasnt freestyle enough".
 
The more I read this thread, the sicker I do get. Everybody is blaming artists such as K7 for abandoning freestyle when the fans abandoned freestyle. I am interested in knowing when is the last time you worked for free, freestylehead? You guys are expecting the artists to get signed by record companies that turn their heads on freestyle, simply because it does not sell. We expect freestyle artists to put quality cds out for us but a majority of the fans either download it for free or by mix cds from djs and not supporting the artists so they make, 1 make a living (of which everyone is entitled to), 2 showing the industry that freestyle can sell. Freestyle has such a small, but strong knit base that if everyone supported it properly who knows what might happen. As for my self I am a die hard fan, but I do buy all the orginal cds and 12". All I play is freestyle. I work for a major company as a manager and managae 24 asscociates and they all laugh at me because all day in my office on my computer you hear nothing but freestyle played. What's actually funny, some of them never liked freestyle and have ended up buying Stevie B cds just from them being exposed to it. Most of them do make comments that it reminds them of the time when they used to go to skating rings when they were kids.

Getting the freestyle songs played on radio will be the only way freestyle can make a comeback. The industry also played a part in the downfall of freestyle. Everyone looking for a quick buck put a "garage" type production songs that filled the market.In the 80's and early 90's there was much freestyle than was produced very well, but also there was a major overload of freestyle that was crap that hit the market as well. Record pool djs would get these 12" and freestyle would begin to loose credibility. Program directors didn't even look at records that were considered freestyle due to all the crap they were getting. It seemed that everyone who has ever wanted to put a song out was. You see alot of this on the record label "HOT PRODUCTIONS". That music filled record stores and was classified freestyle, which is was freestyle, unlike Madonna, but as fans kept buying this crap, slowly they lost the trust in the quality of freestyle music. Just go on ebay and do a search for freestyle cd and you will see about 100 or so listings of such cds. Now again for the "casual listener" that says wow look a penny for a freestyle cd and buys it, what is the chance of them buying another freestyle cd? My point to all this is that the artist such as K7 do have a right to make a living as we all do. If we are not supporting them, they have the right to find another means of making a living. Everyone wants to be successful in what they do. If you owned a store or business, let's say you were making $15,000 a year selling your product, but you see other businesses selling a similar product with several variatons you have the potential of earning in the millions. What would you do? I don't see anyone not trying to make the most money possible for their families and themselves. I don't feel it's fair to say they have abandoned their fans. Even when K7 put his album out, he did not forget about us. Bodyrock was a very well produced freestyle track. He didn't have to put this on the cd to sell it, since the cd was appealing to a broader market, but it was there for us.

By the way, K7 do you think the TKA double cd with George will ever make it to the market for us to buy?
 
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