Pop Artists doing more Freestyle than freestyle artists

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you gotta stay with the times.
People forget thats what artists need to do to survive.
You either gotta cme up with something completel original, or get mixed in with "whats hot" at the moment. & If they add a freestyle song, or a remix or 2, thats fine.

I liked TKA's last album. Not all Freestyle, but I still liked some of the songs on there. & Plus, ...it was TKA.
Sweet Sensation or Safire can release a Alternative Rock, Pop, or R&B CD, & just because it's Safire or "SS", I WOULD get it.
Im a fan of theirs, especially their past works, but that doesnt mean they cant move on, nor that we cant move along with them. Im a fan of their talents first.
They started off with Freestyle, but doesnt mean they have to ONLY stick with this kind of music for the rest of their lives.

Dont underestimate our Freestyle artists. As you can see, they are very versatile, & capable of many things. (India & George L for example).

One thing that kinda gets me though, is that, todays
artists like Kylie Minogue, who came out at the same time as our Freestylers, is still out there moving along, & making hott dance trax, using her original formula, & still appeals to the greater audience, along with music videos.
I dont understand why some of our arists dont take advantage & try to jump in the scene with something updated & hott, especially now that the sounds & fashion styles of the 80's are definately making noise once again.

Either way, whatever music it may be, I just hope to hear more from these artists.
& If todays Pop or other artists use or sample Freestyle or Breakdance songs, - more power to them, for opening doors, & noticing there's something hott about our music.
🙂
Im out!
 
This is the soft line type of attitude that's destroyed freestyle. If Beatnuts or Mobb Deep or CNN were even to do other types of music (let alone not even doing hip hop at all), they'd lose all their street credibility and they'd be laughed out the hip hop industry. Rappers be hearing it just for doing actual hip hop songs featuring R&B artists. And this is when they'll have tons of hardcore stuff on the album, but 1 or 2 R&B songs and the streets are already talking bad about them. Now that its become customary for popular rappers to have at least 1 or 2 songs like that on their albums, hip hop is losing its luster and sales in general have gone down in the last couple years. Of course hip hop is so big that rappers will still be making money for a long time, but it is still a lot harder for the mid level rappers now like Black Moon, Cormega, and Beatnuts.
My whole point here is that hip hop made it as big as it did for as long as it did because it's REAL AND THE ARTISTS WILL BE CHECKED BY THE STREETS. Look at how pathetic freestyle really is: We are sitting here on a freestyle website sweating artists who are no longer a part of the cause. No one is saying that they shouldn't be allowed to make other types of music, what we're saying is that this is not the proper venue for a major part of their internet hype. These songs are not a hybrid of freestyle, not a different type of freestyle, they are not freestyle in any way. Yet we hang on their every move cuz they got it like that. We wait so patiently for so little and usually end up with nothing, not even an effort. Why don't they do both? Why don't they make a couple freestyle songs on the side and make the hardcore audience (the reason why anyone even remember's who they are) happy. We're the ones talking about them. Not the pop crowd and not the euro crowd and not the R&B crowd. There's not one word I said here that is not the straight truth.
 
HELLSS YEAH< MY NIGGA , SPEAK ON IT!!

Honestly ANgELina & Jocelyn Should be prime Exsamples to every freestyle artists thinking about crossing over! If you think Your Freestyle albums aint saleing, What Ever you Do , Dont Cross over , cuzz now you just dropping dumb shit that NO ONE cares about. I mean OK , Freestyle dont make money. WE ALL KNOW that. BUT At least you makin some people happy. I mean you have to remember The only people buying thease albums are freestylers , NO ONE ELSE!! Who The Hell Wants to see a New Nightmare On Elm St. If Freddys Not in the Movie???? :director

Oh Yeah, And Keeping Up with todays time Dont mean You cant make Freestyle, It just means you have to make a newer , doper, improved freestyle that new peeps can suck up and feel. Its not that peaople dont like freestyle people!!!! Its the fact that no one knows what freestyle is!!!! This MUSIC is TOO damn Underground Cuzz theire aint enough Promotion!! Thats why freestyle aint saleing!! Its not Unliked ......................its unknown.
 
Kylie Minogue is the new Madonna....well, the "new" Gay icon.....she's huge in Europe and she's absolutely flawless!

Call me spoiled.....but 1996 was a good year....Angelina & Lina Santiago, to name a few, were the new sound of Freestyle......Dance......whateva. That "sound" didn't last too long though. I thought we were headed somewhere with those two breakout artists.....
 
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india
brenda k starr
luis damon
george lamond
safire
marc anthony
[all these artist went out of freestyle and did salsa music none except for performing have come back to record it again]

daphne rubin vega [pajama party] movies , rock band ,broadway
barrio boys started out doing freestyle and stopped never looked back
tony moran [latin rascals] club house remixer
jlo raised on it never recorded it .
little louie vega [1st freestyle dj] house mixer masters at work
[these people went out and never ventured back]

where are the freestyle clubs?
where are the freestyle dj's loyal club following
where are the freestyle labels who sign new artist cause they are not signing the available artist ?
making music is about making yourself happy some times in doing that you might not make others happy but at least you are
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Yeah, making your self happy is part of the deal 4 sho!! Thats 100% understandable, but when you have a fan base its kind of the artists RESPONSABILITY to keep them happy (if you wanna sale or satisfy). Imean its sad but true.No artists is OBLIGATED to stick to one genre or work exscusively for "the fans" but Man this genre is in trouble, and Any artist who used to make freestyle music and has a legion of freestyle fans, and then post threads on freestytle web sites about the new record release ..........................and finally drops the new album with like 1% freestyle on it. Then the album doese not do well and the artists or the lable will say "its because freestyle is dead"
 
actually the percent is tallied by the amount of records on the album so if i say.
when will i see you
sexual fantasy
and you don't fell it
were freestyle then that actually is thirty percent of the album,which then would average the amount of freestyle on most of the tka albums not including the greatest hits .
again the album not doing well had more to do with the current state of the label tommy boy do some research please cause its a fact the label tanked less than a few months after our release date so our second single did't come out. and the 1st song the record label choose was not even freestyle so more reason for you guys to critisize it .
but please be on the look out in my forum for insight into the music buisness as i will be letting you guys in on what happens .if not go to billboard.com and look at whats really happening behind the scenes in music.
 
so do you see any future for freestyle at all? or to rephrase , What do you predict for the future of freestyle? Is therer even a chance of comeback? or More artists and lables?
 
True,

But what this guy said about the Beatnuts & whatnot, Um... Hip-Hop is still here, & u gotta remember it's a main music genre in todays wold.
Freestyle is not.
Let alone Dance. (Dance has a huge following, but with the exception of Kylie, no other artists from ANY Dance genre are getting massive exposure).

If u are a Hip-Hop artist, & u change music styles, that may cause a HUGE negative impact! -(rarely good).
But Freestyle artists are vocalists first, so that gives them more free space & makes them the more versatile.
(so bad analogy)

Same thing with Freddy- lol (Bad analogy)
They changed music styles, not stop singing all together!

ANYWAYZ, the point is, if our Dance & Freestyle artists had the right promotion & massive exposure, they would definately get somewhere.
& NOW is the time! - DAMMIT! -lol.

Also, India, Marc, & Brenda K, for example, have sold more records in their Salsa careers than they have ever sold in their lives! (which includes Freestyle).
They have played in the biggest venues, been all over TV, Radio, etc, & gained a much bigger crowd of fans.
So, Sometimes change IS good.
 
K7 I understand why the old school freestyle artists might be trying to go into different sounds, but the truth to why TKA's last album flopped was not the label's fault, but the record itself. The fans that supported TKA over the years expected to hear a certain sound, but what we got was dissapointing. I am all about artists need to make a living, but when you go venture outside your market place to attempt to broaden your market share, you can not forget the orginal fan base that gave you the support to bring you to the level that you were at. Once you lose that support, you might as well start from scratch with a new product and a name. TKA represented high quality freestyle. When you ventured outside the realm of freestyle, you named yourself, K7. This set a baseline for a new product/sound. If TKA wanted to abandon their fan base, you might as well just changed your group's name. When you hear the name Stevie B, you expect a certain sound. When you hear the name Maddonna, you also expect a certain sound. You'll never hear the name Madonna and hear country music. Even Garth Brooks had an alias name when he ventured out to pop music. TKA represented the "Kings Of Freestyle", that album was promted as TKA's new record. Of course the fans are going to expect to hear at least some freestyle. I have been a huge supporter of TKA, but in reading these threads and others on this website that you, K7, have left, there is a huge amount of arrogance that comes from you. You must never forget the fans that have supported you and bought your records. These fans are also the one's that come to your concerts and put money in your pocket.
 
WOW! Stav and Megatron layin' it down. It's exactly what they say.

K7: First of all, the artists you listed as leaving freestyle to record other music and not returning all left to do salsa, not another type of english music so its percieved by the general public as different. Leaving to do Salsa is no where near as bad as leaving to do Pop. Also, in doing Spanish music these artists made it a lot bigger than any freestyle group who switched to pop ever did. The artists you listed in the second column (Barrio Boyz, Marc Anthony) never really got known for freestyle and didn't really do a lot of it so it's a little bit different. And why is J.Lo even part of the discussion. She's phony as it is. I'm glad she never recorded any freestyle. Then niggaz would be sayin "Freestyle? Oh you mean like J.Lo" and that stuff don't get any respect on the streets so why in the world would we even want her name associated with Freestyle Music.
Second of all, there's really only 2 freestyle songs on the Forever Album (Sexual Fantasy and ?)-It could be either "In a Manner" like I think or "U Don't Feel It" as you say. Take your pick but either way it adds up to 2. That particular version of "When Will I See You" was not Freestyle. And the reason why the fans were disappointed with the original was because it was "not freestyle enough". It lacked that feel that fans are accustommed to. Also on older albums that technically only had 3 or 4 freestyle songs, there were other songs with a very similar sound so fans accepted them as freestyle making the perception that there was enough freestyle. Also, the freestyle on the Louder than Love album was kept to a minimum on purpose because they was trying to turn y'all pop. The greatest hits album tells it all, its mostly freestyle because indeed your greatest hits are freestyle and thus its the freestyle fans who remember you and who go looking for your music.
 
DJ STAV said:
The fans that supported TKA over the years expected to hear a certain sound, but what we got was dissapointing.
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that statment is not accurate because I just got done saying that there were fans of FREESTYLE and there were fans of TKA. The fans of TKA could have cared less if they did freestyle again. They bought the album because they liked the group, not the genre.
 
you guys won't be the first or last to hear this so here we go again

lets start with my arrogance.
am i?
yes depending on the situation.
do i appreciate my fans more than you ever know but have not cared to ask about.
what most of you guys seem to not notice is that i more than most freestyle artist of its original era take the time to answer and participate in conversations that repeat themselves over and over.
i try every time to clarify some of the issues that get twisted out of proportions here just to set the record straight.
as a song writer, producer and recording artist & performer who has been around this type of music since it creation i answer to you what is freestyle under the banner of tka.since i was there i know for a fact what type of sound we were going for when we did it , but you guys feel the need to tell me what you guys think it was [but your wrong ].
about changing the name so we could venture out to do a different sound why would we tka was venturing out since day one to be more than just one form of music but there were other groups as well who did that. Timmy t stevie b sweet sensation cover girls etc. etc..
again you tell me its cause forever was horrible in your eyes that it tanked OK. but i was dealing with Tommy boy at the time were you? Tommy boy wanted to release "feel the music" cause they wanted a song that was more like mojo"s lady. we the group wanted better than the rest sexual fantasy and you don't feel it [the latter two being 2 out of 3 freestyle song on the album] in that order as what we wanted to be our single. tom silverman [CO owner of Tommy boy the other share being held by Warner music group] sold his entire catalogue of music. DE la soul coolio tka queen latifah house of pain etc. etc. to rid himself of debts owed to Warner. we were signed as this problem began and got caught in the wave during the hold process. Warner had the option to continue promoting the project but after putting more that some ten other acts on hold decided against continuing with it as well the other acts. during this time no record promoting was being done by either Tommy boy or Warner no money was being spent on any project that was Tommy boy oriented. I'm stating it to you as i lived it.
did you guys embraced it?
no not everyone .but in the history of tka we had this happen all the time it would take people time to warm up to our records all the time. and the way it would happen would be by continuous air play. there are a lot of times that tka ventured out to record different types of music like.
i won't give up on you "which was a single" .
crash ."which was a single" .
about my comment about leaving to do salsa or pop.
listen am i being lynched here?
and how could it be OK to do salsa and not pop music? especially when pop is how freestyle became prominent on the air waves. power 96 in Florida was a pop station hot 103.5 in n y c was a pop station b 96 in Chicago was pop k t f m in Texas was pop and that type of radio excepted us back then and uses us as recurrents now so how would salsa be better than us singing pop record again?
a lack of history would be the reason that you don't except my comments on barrio boys originally be freestyle or marc Anthony or the fact the even today's major recording artist /movie star was raised on this sound has done interviews on her love of it but did not record it [ jlo personal life aside]
.. forever had as much freestyle as did the louder that love album
and since you used k7 sing batta swing it had one more than that album [body rock and make you feel good]
by the way it was for my respect for my fans that i did record two songs on my solo venture. it was for you guys that we put three songs on forever if it was not to your liking i am very sorry but don't sh!t on our effort.
the lose of support from our fans is a threat that every artist goes through whether they sing or rap or just play instruments but if we lived with the paranoia that you would leave us every time we recorded a song that you guys didn’t like we would be in an asylum. That paranoia is the reason why a lot of music you here now a days sounds the same the redundancy of it and very little artistic creativity you see a lot of people get stuck on the same formula and don't want their artist to stray from it but for that same reason the leave the artist any way cause the artist starts to think inside the box of creativity instead of out side.
by the way stevie b's biggest hit was "because i love " a non freestyle song in fact straight up pop.
and about Madonna she is still around cause she has been able to reinvent herself over and over. there was only one holiday only one justify my love .one frozen she has never repeated her sound and has been able to use a broad spectrum of styles in music thats why she is still here .... i know the fans put money in my pocket there is no doubt bout that there is no need to question that .and for that reason when they do come to see me i give them as much as i can
 
K7 tka said:
lets start with my arrogance.
am i?
yes depending on the situation.
do i appreciate my fans more than you ever know but have not cared to ask about.
what most of you guys seem to not notice is that i more than most freestyle artist of its original era take the time to answer and participate in conversations that repeat themselves over and over.
i try every time to clarify some of the issues that get twisted out of proportions here just to set the record straight.
as a song writer, producer and recording artist & performer who has been around this type of music since it creation i answer to you what is freestyle under the banner of tka.since i was there i know for a fact what type of sound we were going for when we did it , but you guys feel the need to tell me what you guys think it was [but your wrong ].
about changing the name so we could venture out to do a different sound why would we tka was venturing out since day one to be more than just one form of music but there were other groups as well who did that. Timmy t stevie b sweet sensation cover girls etc. etc..
again you tell me its cause forever was horrible in your eyes that it tanked OK. but i was dealing with Tommy boy at the time were you? Tommy boy wanted to release "feel the music" cause they wanted a song that was more like mojo"s lady. we the group wanted better than the rest sexual fantasy and you don't feel it [the latter two being 2 out of 3 freestyle song on the album] in that order as what we wanted to be our single. tom silverman [CO owner of Tommy boy the other share being held by Warner music group] sold his entire catalogue of music. DE la soul coolio tka queen latifah house of pain etc. etc. to rid himself of debts owed to Warner. we were signed as this problem began and got caught in the wave during the hold process. Warner had the option to continue promoting the project but after putting more that some ten other acts on hold decided against continuing with it as well the other acts. during this time no record promoting was being done by either Tommy boy or Warner no money was being spent on any project that was Tommy boy oriented. I'm stating it to you as i lived it.
did you guys embraced it?
no not everyone .but in the history of tka we had this happen all the time it would take people time to warm up to our records all the time. and the way it would happen would be by continuous air play. there are a lot of times that tka ventured out to record different types of music like.
i won't give up on you "which was a single" .
crash ."which was a single" .
about my comment about leaving to do salsa or pop.
listen am i being lynched here?
and how could it be OK to do salsa and not pop music? especially when pop is how freestyle became prominent on the air waves. power 96 in Florida was a pop station hot 103.5 in n y c was a pop station b 96 in Chicago was pop k t f m in Texas was pop and that type of radio excepted us back then and uses us as recurrents now so how would salsa be better than us singing pop record again?
a lack of history would be the reason that you don't except my comments on barrio boys originally be freestyle or marc Anthony or the fact the even today's major recording artist /movie star was raised on this sound has done interviews on her love of it but did not record it [ jlo personal life aside]
.. forever had as much freestyle as did the louder that love album
and since you used k7 sing batta swing it had one more than that album [body rock and make you feel good]
by the way it was for my respect for my fans that i did record two songs on my solo venture. it was for you guys that we put three songs on forever if it was not to your liking i am very sorry but don't sh!t on our effort.
the lose of support from our fans is a threat that every artist goes through whether they sing or rap or just play instruments but if we lived with the paranoia that you would leave us every time we recorded a song that you guys didn’t like we would be in an asylum. That paranoia is the reason why a lot of music you here now a days sounds the same the redundancy of it and very little artistic creativity you see a lot of people get stuck on the same formula and don't want their artist to stray from it but for that same reason the leave the artist any way cause the artist starts to think inside the box of creativity instead of out side.



Kay niggaz just don't understand what you had to go through. You need not to explain yourself over and over. The people in this industry like myself who have been around a long long time know the real deal. You have been performing for over a decade and continue to develop friednships wherever you go. Just ask HILDA!!!!!!! Just let niggaz say what they gotta say an be done with it. :shakinboo
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WHOA!!! Eazey There , I never ment to come off as some wise guy know it all, and I appologize if thats how it came out, I was just saying HOW I FELT as a fan buying some of the newer freestyle albums out there. I never wanted to come off as a smart ass attacking the OG's in the game , thats not my style and I consider my self humble and honered to even be chatting with K7. But many reent releases have been less freestyle and I just wanted the 411 , cuz just because you are in the game and know whats up , dont mean your fans are too. We are on the out side looking in, were spending money and we just wanna know whats up.
 
young I'm just stating the facts about what i know and thats t k a and k7 and I'm very knowledgeable on that ... to say the least.
there was no offense taken to what you spoke of .. i just want to clear up the misconceptions that may be flying around.
its good that you support freestyle you are fighting for something you believe in and that passion deserves credit. for me i never been a sell out so i fight that when people try to place my effort in that corner.
but its become a routine for me to defend an album that my partners and i were proud of while some on this site and other were not happy about.
lastly being told what your creation is feels weird cause you created it. its like having a baby boy and having all your neighbors tell you that you have a daughter .[hope you get that].
i am also honored to feel the love and sometimes hate from fans and friends here on this site thats why i have stayed.
but i want everyone to understand that you all need to delve deeper into the history of this music. so that you all may understand why its failing to reach more of the masses Joey Gardner's history of freestyle is accurate but there is more to that story other perspectives of that story. freestyle was built on the blood and sweat of many people some of which are not around today. it worth in the musical common place it as important as jazz rock or even hip hop and salsa its roots are deep but our ignorance is killing it all together you see we bicker over stupidity. thats why i try to be so frank just set the record straight and keep moving .for this or any other freestyle site to help this movement it has to motivate itself to be much more than a place to ask how we get a 12" of Lydia lee love or how many members did trilogy have. trivia is good and so is a little bit of gossip here or there but is that all we are now.
 
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