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vinyldreams said:
If more people like Anthony A, francis, Steve, Grafpix, and many others would be true supporters and buy the music then it would still be around.
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Thanks alot for the kind words Gary 🙂


Originator, it's not about the rare songs that we have and know where to get. It's about the common and new stuff that IS obtainable, yet contiually downloaded via MP3. It's really that simple.
 
PLEASE DON'T PUT DOWN ANYONE HERE THIS IS NOT THE PLACE TO CALL PEOPLE OUT. thank you. for myself i buy cd's when i can afford to. i buy from a record store. if i can get a free mp3 then i will. i have paid my fair share by going to concerts,buying music, goign to clubs, and so on. i am a true freestyle supporter no matter what anyone thinks.
 
Gary, I completely understand your point, however, my point is if there is no radio station for us to call, new CDs for us to buy, or even clubs that have Freestyle artists performing, how can we support what some of us truly respect and love listening to?

As I have said over and over again, how can we get a station started to support the Freestyle artists? How can we promote what is hardly seen or heard in the NATIONS CAPITAL????
 
^ I could understand your concern. I'm sure it sux not having a station that plays freestyle. There are a few things you can do though in terms of be able to hear freestyle. For one, there are many stations that stream (play) over the internet. As far as what to buy, if you look on the freestyle boards enough, you will see when new freestyle is out & where you can buy it. The internet provides many sources in general for buying music. You can also post asking what is good, etc etc....

If you look under "Freestyle Music Talk" on this site, you'll see a thread I started naming some of the good, new freestyle out. If you need any other help, just ask 🙂
 
I'm agree with you that getting Freestyle products is not that simple...especially concerning the old Freestyle Classics. But hey, I'm living in France and I manage (in general) to buy most of the new stuffs. The Internet is a very good source of information, I think that you can get all the new products if you're making the effort to look for them. Every month I'm spending alot of time to search for the information and to see how I can get the item that I'm looking for.
By the way, every collector will tell you this: If you are a collector you DON'T buy a bootleg, you always buy and want the original pressing even if it's a "hard to find" record. It takes time sometimes to get some records, but the patience is the best thing for a collector. Every collector is a patient guy. LOL. I waited 7 or 8 years to get some very rare records but I got them. And those I didn't get yet, I will get them one day...even if it's in 5 or 10 years. LOL.
No hard feelings in my post, just a point of view. Ok! 😉
Francis
 
Orgntr1.... I undestand Freestyle music is hard too find especially on vinyl but if you are truly willing to use your resources then you will be able to find freestyle music out there. Another point about collectors. Since they collect the music that means they are buyers. that supports producers and artists because they actually are willing to buy the music. The sad thing is these days there is nothing worth collection except for the older records. I am not saying there is nothing good coming out these days. However I am saying there isn't much. I just stating my opinions here and if you feel differently then you can state your opinions. Everyones opinion is welcome here and that is what is so wonderful here. We can allve different opinions but are brought together by the same thing. The music we love. As for Freestyle being on the radio. I can't speak for everyone but, Freestyle never was on the radio where I am from with the exception of oldschool classics which was simply called club music back in the day because it never got recognized as "Freestyle" where I lived. Freestyle has been referred to as club, hip hop, latin hip hop, heart throb, and some people actually call it "HOUSE" even though we all know house is nothing like freestyle. It never really got the recognition or support it deserved mainly because it never really got supported. remember these are my opinions and I am almost 33 years old and have been around a while. I can't speak for everyone but, I do share the opinions of alot of people. I don't really like getting into this stuff because it strikes a nerve in people and can cause arguements quite easily. As for calling people out. I don't know what to say about that because I didn't call anyone out that I see except for 2/3rds of the so called supporters. Not everyone is cheap but we all know MP3's are the newest cheapest way for freeloaders to get ahold of their favorite tracks. For those who say Freestyle is impossible to find and that is the reason you download mp3's I don't buy that. Since there are many resources are your fingertips. Francis could also argue this fact because he lives in FRANCE and has to pay import changes for every record he gets. Living in France also doesn't help him find records. I am sure he looks at these reasons and crazy but he is too nice to state this fact. It is crazy to say Freestyle is impossible to find. Here are a few websites to buy freestyle gemm.com, ebay.com, temdee.com or you can email me. I have about 1000 records for sale and most of them are under $3. i have been selling records for 8 years on the net and try to make it easier for everyone to obtain stuff so if you are having problems email me and I will help you out. As for the others like Anthony, Grafpix, Steve and others tell them that they don't contribute. They not only buy every record they find. They offer advice, they goto events and they help others find stuff they are searching for. This is what true support is all about. Again these are my opinions and i am sure not everyone agrees with them but, there is alot more that goes into supporting freestyle than just buying the music. I do feel however if you are only a downloader of mp3's you are not doing much to support Freestyle at all.

garyj78@aol.com
 
Orgntr1..... If you are looking for isaac in my heart on vinyl you will have to take Francis' advice. Be patient and you will find it. It was not mass produced so it is very hard to find. If you are lucky enough to find it you will probably have to pay alot for it as well. This is when being a collector either hurts you or helps you. Getting to the records early can save you alot of money because the harder they are to get the more they cost. On the other hand the new stuff is cheap (so buy a few copies of each good song), it helps support todays freestyle industry and years from now when everyone else is looking for a record you can have a few copies. Which you can trade or sell a copy to someone else.
 
boriqualaotian.... I understand what you are talking about however to be honest with you I have been around long enough to tell you there will never be a station that will play only freestyle. There might be a station or 2 that plays freestyle during a certain time slot on a certain day of the week. There are also stations who might try and throw in a few tracks here and there but with not freestyle being released its going to become harder and harder to find. The point is however, The harder it is to find there more acceptable it seems to become for people to bootleg mp3's. There are even sites out there that promote the bootlegging of freestyle mp3's. This is really sad. The only time it is OK to download MP3's is if you have the producers or artists permission to download the song. everytime someone downloads a song for free people are being robbed of hard earned money in which they deserve to be compensated. Also for the record I have never been to DC so I won't pretend to know what the music scene is like there. that is what is wonderful about the internet. It does open doors to everyone to find freestyle. There are CD's and records all over the net to purchase. If you goto Gemm.com or ebay.com you will see that people are selling stuff all the time on there. There are also all kinds of great people on the net like anthony, steve, francis, grafpix, ashley & forte, willie valentin, who can help you find stuff you are looking for. If there is anything I can help you find let me know. I will do what I can even.

garyj78@aol.com
 
YOU KNOW WHAT .... NO MATTER WHAT I WILL ALWAYS SUPPORT FREESTYLE FOR TEH REST OF MY LIFE.... WHEN SOMEONE SINGS FREESTYLE NO MATTER WHAT IT IS ... IT SEEMS LIKE IF YOU WENT THRU WHAT THE SONG IS ABOUT .... I REALLY DON;T FEEL LIKE THAT ABOUT OTHER TYOES OF MUSIC EXCEPT R&B... DON;T GET ME WRONG I LIKE OTHER GENRE TYPE OF MUSIC... BUT NOTHING LIKE FREESTYLE..... ANYONE WHO HANGS WITH ME IN MY CAR OR AT HOME .. THEY KNOW WASSUP... FREESTYLE WILL BE PLAYED AT MY HOME OR IN MY CAR .. SO IF THEY DON;T LIKE IT ... THEY KNOW WHAT TO DO .... MUAHZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.... FREESTYLE WILL BE FOREVER ON THIS END .... MAD PROPS TO ALL FREESTYLE ARTISTSS........ LATER YA'LLL/./.... "EXOTICA"
 
Vinyldreams:...."Orgntr1..... If you are looking for isaac in my heart on vinyl you will have to take Francis' advice. Be patient and you will find it. It was not mass produced so it is very hard to find. If you are lucky enough to find it you will probably have to pay alot for it as well. This is when being a collector either hurts you or helps you."

Now thats what i call abusing the consumer. We shouldnt go through the trouble in trying to find freestyle....especially if theres money on the line coming from our pockets. Another thing, Im not a collector....I dont collect freestyle for the hell of it. If i like a track, i like the track and ill buy it....but if i dont find it....then oh well too bad.... Gotta seek alternative matters.

Thanks Vinyldreams and Francis for your input. You guys got some really good points but i dont think you guys see the whole picture. I once thought of opening my own freestyle store....but how the hell can i do that when half the merchandise aint around to even market.
 
Orgntr1.... The reason freestyle vinyl isn't avaiable is because not enough people buy the records. If you press 300 records it costs about $2.75 to $3.00 per record to press. Then you have to give away at least 50 to 100 promo's to DJ's and radio stations. This now raises the cost dramatically just to break even. Most record stores only pay $2.75 to $3.25 per record as it is so it is hard for a producer to even break even. Most records released don't even sell 300 copies so the producers don't even repress the record. this is why the records are so rare. If you don't even sell enough records to make it worth while to repress, then this is what you would call a waste of time and money. if you think about all the time, effort and money that goes into the production of each record. different mixes, production costs, mastering etc.... It's kind of a slap in the face. I know Willie Valentin and he explained all this stuff to me personally and i now understand why vinyl is so limited. He also explained to me how he could do a CD single and have 1000 pressed and it would only cost a producer $1.08 each CD to press. This includes the cover art and mastering. this is why there are more CD's coming out than vinyl. Its all a matter of supply and demand. It seems there is no demand until the record has been out of print for a few years and then everyone wants to buy it. By the way I tried the Freestyle store thing and it won't work. You see I have the experience of running an online record/CD store in which I sold everything that came out at low prices and nobody bought the stuff. I only sold freestyle and I dealt with everyone online. I had every release and I bought directly from the prodcuers so I got fair prices. I then sold almost every new compilation at under $10.99 with free shipping. Still nobody bought anything. This is why I can say i do know a little bit about what I am talking about. You don't have to be a collector to buy records. You can be a DJ or just like the different versions of a song. But, believe me for every person online who says they buy all this freestyle there are 20 other people downloading mp3's in order to avoid paying for the records or CD's. Even the new CD's being sold don't have enough support. As a matter of fact the only thing people seem to like to hear is the stuff that is way out of print. Its funny when isaac first came out in the store I saw copies for sale everywhere and they just sat there forever. I bought a copy. months later I bought a few more because it was on a small label and I knew it would be worth collecting a few more and using them in trade later on. I no longer am into searching for records because like most people I am tired of searching for new freestyle only to get ripped off by purchasing progressive freestyle which I personally do not like or just buying cheezy material and I won't mention any CD's because other people might get offended with my opinions. LOL As far as me having insight I believe i am pretty well informed because I know alot of producers, singers, collectors I sell to, dj's I sell to. Being a buyer myself as well as having an online business in which I have dealt with many kinds of people on the net. I have much more insight than many people on the net that just like to complain about not being able to buy stuff. If you are over 25 years old and don't own Isaac on vinyl then I don't know where you were because the record was certainly avaiable. So to complain about not being able to find it now is kind of sad because you had an opportunity to get it for $5. I am certain you will find it if you continue to look for it but it's not gonna be easy to find.

Gary Juhl
 
vinyldreams said:

You see I have the experience of running an online record/CD store in which I sold everything that came out at low prices and nobody bought the stuff.
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So sad 🙁 You're certainly not the only one either. I know quite a few online seller's. They stock plenty, but short on customers.



vinyldreams said:

You don't have to be a collector to buy records. You can be a DJ or just like the different versions of a song. But, believe me for every person online who says they buy all this freestyle there are 20 other people downloading mp3's in order to avoid paying for the records or CD's.
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Yes, people use the term "collector" in an assumed manner. They see it as something of a hobby, nothing more. While that may be the case for some, me and others "collect" because we love the music, like to DJ (professionally or for personal enjoyment), etc. It's more than some fad. Me, along with others I know, have been "collecting" since the birth of freestyle. It's not some overnight thing. It's a passion that started over 20 years ago and hasn't faded. Be it fan or artist, PASSION is what it's ALL about. That's what is truly missing from both sides. Too many useless screen names doing nothing more than typing words. (this is a general statements, please no need for anyone to cry a defensive reply LOL). If there was more passion from everyone, there would be more support. IF

Again, this is not a personal attack on anyone, just something that came to mind while reading these posts.
 
Anthony and Gary...Thank you for the input...I understand that it will be close to never to have a freestyle station down here in the DC Metro, but the thing is, everyone is talking about not supporting the cause. It almost seems like the ones that try to support are not doing enough.

My boyfriend and I have been going on to various freestyle sites, finding out what's new but there are pluses and minuses about that.

Recently we just bought Angelina, who has many of her songs produced by Tolga, so the "oldies but goodies" sounds are still mixed in there. Her CD isn't all freestyle, but she's got the Cover Girls/Buffy grooves that sound excellent.

The down side is that we can't find half of the new stuff that they are putting out there! I definitely understand the fustration and what you guys are saying about waiting and being patient, 'cuz there's no other way to get the music otherwise!
 
GOOD POINT: There really isn't a source to get everything you are looking for. Plus with most of the new freestyle you never know what you are getting. With the oldschool there was a great chance that you were not wasting your money.
 
unity = power

I believe that JackG and the moderators of this board did a fantastic job of putting a community together. CF needs to be a record label ;-)

just for the record, when we were recording back in the day, it wasn't called Freestyle, so nobody ever thought of it as doing a good freestyle song, we just wrote and produced what was in our hearts. Now days we live in a global name driven economy. People format and brand a style instantly which is not good for most of the artist.

I remember when we released Stevie B. they didn't know where to put the records. under Rock? R&B? it's seems the format thing is way out of a control now! Good music is good music IMO...

I personally bought britney records, eminem, tka, radiohead, Nyasia, FFWD, Johnny O. C-Bank, Company B and most of the people out there have great variety of music in their collection. I met Mariah Carey and she had great freestyle records in her collection as well. It's all ENTERTAINMENT.

Unfortunatlely, If you walk into a major label today, you have to classify who you are going to speak to, VP of urban, snr vp of yada yada. Howabout just VP of good music !hehehe like the old days some great labels, executives and DJ's took chances and didn't worry about business titles they were just looking for good music. (Fever)(little loui)(sleeping bag) (TommyBoy)(Cutting) Carlos w/ Lisette(major talent both of them) and MicMac, man i remember where ever i went there was MicMac. I also was lucky enough to see how powerful music really is. (Australia, Brasil, France, Germany, Equador, Japan, Korea, Phillipines, England, Netherlands, Sweden, South Africa)

old days it was like, yo Tolga i need a good track and now it's like hey Tolga we're looking for a male Britney Spears, Female Ricky Martin...lol female duo like darryl hall & John Oats. U got anything Hardcore?? hehehe.

Good music is good music. i'll have to touch up on the radio, artist and the internet issue as well on my next post, this is already long!

Tolga
 
HERE WE Go Again hablando la misma mierdad aqui yo creo que te site no debe existir aqui hay muchos Damn haters that really dont love freestyle just hablar mierda wtf im with u Exotica Lets Support freestyle music i mean if ya really a tru fan..Dont use this site 2 hate but to unite the Freestyle Fam...Ya Feel Me.....Peace 2all ...Freestyle4ever i will keep playin old sounds like it was new.....lol
 
As long as I'm alive, freestyle music cannot die... because freestyle music lives in me.

As far as the Bad Boy Joe Compilations, I agree that many of those songs from the new generation were horrible and should have never made it, howver there were songs on the new generation vol. 2 that were so good that it made up for the rest of the c.d., I must say New Generation 2 was by far the best.

As far as my sisters listening to the radio, ages 16 and 14, They are stuck on the GAY 104.7 that decided to remove ALL THE DANCE MUSIC from their playlist! I am so mad at them that just thinking about, hearing, or seeing the station numbers just messes me up..... I would prefer that they listen to the hip hop & r&b station before they turn to the Gay 104.7 kissFM any day! Everytime I try to make them listen to Energy 92.7/101.1 Arizona's Dance Radio, they always change it back, and in the car they keep removing it from the preset and replace the GAY 104.7 kiss fm, and to me, everything they play is crap - even if it's a song I like, I start hating it the moment I listen to that station...............and I'm done here! I don't care for them, they can do whatever they want to do for memorial day weekend and every weekend of the summer, as long as they don't add dance to their wannabe rhythmic format, or at the very least add it to their mixes, I wont be listening. (Just one dance song would make a big difference) That station might piss me off to the point that I think I might just have to end up moving out of Arizona or just stop listening to music all together just to have peace of mind! (Ok, Maybe I'm not really that mad, but just trying to make you feel it)

As for bad songs that should have never been released, that should potentially bring a genre of music down, I would just eliminate pop because of Jessica Simpson - now that this genre was very well and easily covered, lets move on. Hip Hop should have died many times because I heard a whole lot of stuff that should have never made it. ...................to sum it up, Jazz and some trance should be the only thing surviving because it's this music that has the most songs without any vocals or people singing, so there is no worry about quality vocals and people that shouldn't have made it. (and if this were to happen, the Gay 104.7 would probably just become an all jazz station!)

Freestyle is having much success in Germany.... www.freestylemusic.de

As far as freestyle dying; Notice that there is always at least one new freestyle song that makes it to mainstream radio, even if they are not famously known as a freestyle artists. Notice that there is always a new freestyle compilation with some new tracks on there - therefore freestyle cannot be dead. If freestyle were dead, this site would be based and completely about past experiences. We would talk about everything here in past tense, memories, etc. Not future releases and whats about to happen or is happening right now. ...Now that I think about it, how is Canada, Germany, and parts of South America having success with freestyle if freestyle is dead? To be dead means to have no life!

As for those planet rock beats, I enjoy many of them, but at the same time love to hear the modernism and creativity of freestyle beats and making them more complicated and unique. Having many planet rock beats sound alike shouldn't be a problem, especially house and trance all have the same beat and is a lot more repetitive than freestyle. I could also add that most of the new hip hop songs are beginning to use the same beat, and reggae has been known for doing this for quite some time now.

The only thing I have to say to EXOTICA is this: At least here in Az., there are a few people that have some sence, this was proven when I asked for freestyle and the employee asked me, "freestyle as in rap, or as in dance music?" (I am the other one of the two people that have sense here, so this is how I came about with my choice to choose the word "few"....do you get it?)I don't really let it bother me when anybody says anything about a genre of music, but I do get mad when I hear or think about the GAY 104.7 KissFM! - sorry, I tried to hold it, but I just had to let that out! I just want to tell you that you should praise your Kiss 108 if you're in Boston because I'm sure it can't nearly be as bad as our Gay104.7! I'm sure they do at least play SOME dance music, at the least in their mix shows.... . . .. . hopefully! - but I really shouldn't complain, we have the all dance radio station (unvelievably in Phoenix!) Energy 92.7/101.1 Arizona's Dance Radio and the Power 92.3 #1 for hip hop and r&b representing by far more dance than the Stupid 104.7 - I really should be thankful for what I have, the only problem is that I have a station... THAT'S GAY!
 
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