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I've been thinking about the whole evolution thing for a hot minute and i got some ideas about it here goes
when our beloved freestyle started it came from two very different parents hip hop & dance .it was the young urban sound of latino's in america .very streety ,very rough ,and yet poetic.
it was welcomed and respected by people in both hip hop and dance.
looking at this view it only made sense to me that a freesyle evolution would come from taking whats current in music and twisting it to fit our formula.
now on the radio the formats that work are hip hop and pop .none of which at this point move faster than 100 bpms [at least the successful ones]. bpms= beats per minute .the usual freestyle record would speed by at 125 and better the usual hip hop or pop record runs at 100.now to become competitive we must take from this and move forward.many of you might say but if we slow it down it won,t be freestyle ... your wrong freestyle music at least to me is about the lyrics and music and if the music of choice is slower then we should take it in that direction. if a freestyle artist anyone wrote a freestyle song to a hip hop beat the feeling of it would still be there .
there are an over abundance of hip hop producers [beatmakers if you will] who can provide music for this change in that pile is the new tony moran or chris barbosa in the waiting .imagine this if you took ashanti and speed her beats up to 135 who would she be ?????
cynthia ,lissette melendez ,suzy .they all got the same type of voice she does ....now ashanti is not a really good r&b singer most people in the industry will tell you that [even though her numbers are through the roof its for the same reasone why freestyle was successful any little girl can sing the whole song through without the arcrobatics most your favorite r&b artist do to sell there songs.
we need to start at ground level by making a market
going full ghetto and sampling hip hop music .
geting our freestyle lyric to fit the change.
making mix tape where we feature this new sound as oppose of an other compilation of oldies.
showing others that this is the type of sound that can stand next to pop and hip hop proudly with a loyal army instead of scattered soldiers
back in the day freestyle introduced hip hop to the pop audience in a package that even parents excepted very non threatening and very polished .we now need to do it again look at what our resources are and think about what i,m saying.freestyle can change if we make the right moves ..hard core fans want something to stand with and at this point we are disappearing faster than jazz and we are not gaining any respect as the days go by .before the onslaught i leave you with this
imagine lamond doing "without you" over a hip hop beat now .instant street classic. the time of the breakfast club is over we need to get with the real program ... this is an idea does anyone else have any
no more eighties visions we are in the 2k lets catch up
 
Loving it... I'm all for change.
 
if the music of choice is slower then we should take it in that direction. if a freestyle artist anyone wrote a freestyle song to a hip hop beat the feeling of it would still be there .
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i agree. the forever album, just as an example, wasn't freestyle, but many people still felt it. i just hope freestyle fans can get over the fact that they're listening to some hip hop. why do a lot of freestyle fans hate hip hop? it doesnt make sense.

making mix tape where we feature this new sound as oppose of an other compilation of oldies
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yes thank you. people are going to keep abusing the music if we dont change... modernize it. all they hear is the same stagnant shit. (no offense to anyone, i love old school, but come on already. let's keep it movin).

lamond doing "without you" over a hip hop beat now
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PHAT!
 
WELL I CAN HONESTLY SAY AS I HAVE SAID IN SO MANY PREVIOUS POST, CHANGE IS INEVIDABLE, WE CANT MOVE BACK TO THE GOOD OLD DAYS. I SEE IT CONSTANTLY EVERYONE ASKING FOR THE OLDSCHOOL STYLE LYRICS, BEATS ETC AND THERE ISNT ANYTHING WRONG WITH WANTING THAT. CHANGE IS GOOD MUSIC INDUSTRY IS CONSTANTLY CHANGING AND THE ONLY GENRE THAT SEEMS TO STAY THE SAME IS FREESTYLE WHICH TO ME SEEMS TO BE HOLDING IT BACK. GOD I LOVE THE OLD SCHOOL AND ALL THESE ARTIST GAVE US BUT HOW ELSE CAN THEY MAKE A CHANGE IF THEY DONT MAKE SOME CHANGES. A LOT WILL FEEL AND SAY THAT BY CHANGING IT IS NO LONGER FREESTYLE BUT HOW MUCH OF TODAYS MUSIC HAS STAYED THE SAME INCLUDING, HIP-HOP, R&B ETC. HIP -HOP IN ITSELF IS A COMBO OF DIFFERENT ELEMENTS OF MUSIC, R&B IS CONSTANTLY CHANGING ADDING TO ITS FLOW. STICKING TO THE OLD WAYS OF DOING THINGS ISNT AND HASNT CHANGED THE STATUS OF FREESTLYE. MANY ARTIST IN THE INDUSTRY HAVE REALIZED THAT AND AS KAY SAID THERE DISSAPPEARING FAST, WHY BECAUSE DOING THE OLD HAS KEPT FREESTYLE WHERE IT IS AT AND ANY ATTEMPT AT THE NEW IS QUICKLY SHOT DOWN. IF NO CHANGE IS MADE WHAT WE KNOW AND LOVE AS FREESTYLE MUSIC AS WELL AS THE ARTIST WILL DISSAPPEAR. I LOVE FREESTYLE AND ALWAYS WILL ITS IN MY HEART BUT I THINK ITS TIME TO ADD TO IT. GIVE IT A LITTLE MORE FLAVA 🙂
 
Sexyangel329 said:
BUT I THINK ITS TIME TO ADD TO IT. GIVE IT A LITTLE MORE FLAVA 🙂
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That's what Ive been saying!!! Add to the mixture! Let's not just have the artists concentrate on "LOVE,LOVE,LOVE!" Lets hear them sing about other things such as work, playtime, hardships. HIP-HOP has all those elements, why cant FREESTYLE?
 
I Agree (Of course)

We figured the only way to make you all feel it, is to make you all a part of it.
Even in mainstream marketing, against what was then conventional wisdom, they have used and abused hip hop and it's narratives to exploit and bolster their commercials. They use it as ways of selling their products and getting thier points across to mainstream America. Especially it's youth. The only way to make that happen for freestyle is to market this music much in the very same way. You can't under estimate the amount of respect this music can gain by steppin up and going away from underground dance, into more mainstream pop,hip hop(and still be dancable) and incorporate a little rap.

We have done it in the past. Now we are sharing the formula with you. We have the resources. The Aspiring new artist like Crystal(Yes you), Rain (U'd be surprised). KennyFreestyle(Hot west side producer), Yahira(Roc City), and many of the artist on here @CF who have approached me on different occasions. It's all about building a home to make it happen. If you agree or feel this movement, and will follow, we will agree to guide the ship. It's all up to us as a unit to go forward with the transition.

Here is your future FreeStyle. Feel free to add to it, and revive what is rightfully yours. This can truly be an exciting time. That's if all agree, we go nowhere with out a thick crew.

We have revealed the formula. Will you use it?
Alex of LN will you use it? Rhoq and PFC will you use it? People who have recently retired will you use it? I already know the answer cause we here -------> :0)... Let's go.

CLUB*HOP LIVES..
 
K, I see where you are coming from and a similar thought had actually crossed my mind not too long ago. Isn't this more or less what Carlos Berrios attempted to do back in the early '90's when he created the sound that was initially dubbed as "New School Freestyle"? His idea was to take to Freestyle to the next level by incoporating Hip-Hop into Freestyle. After a while the sound became stale when everyone started to record songs patterned after this new style. A little over a year later (Summer 1992) mainstream radio shunned Freestyle music all together.

Perhaps enough time has passed where something new can be tried again. It is time to start undoing the damage that "Planet Rock" era of Freestyle (1993-present) has done to our music, if it isn't too late already. Although I stopped listening to hip-hop more or less in 1989, I have always been a beat junkie. Every now and then I'll throw some hip-hop on and just listen to the beats (I don't care for most of the lyrics)...

If it is done right, Freestyle can successfully flow over a hip-hop beat, but not at 100 BPM's...It would have to be at least 115 BPM's or the entire Freestyle vibe will be lost somewhere along the lines. Freestyle has always felt most comfortable between 115 and 125 BPM's. Over the last 5 or 6 years the BPM's have steadily gotten faster into the 130's and 140's which is way too fast for the Freestyle purists.

But as you mentioned in your post, it all goes back to the statement heard so many times before "How much change and evolution can Freestyle go through before it isn't Freestyle any longer". There are certain elements in our music that must be present or it just wouldn't be Freestyle. Adding a hip-hop flavor would not change the music to a degree that it couldn't be identified as Freestyle as long as the right people are behind the project...I think that adding the hip-hop element may actually be able to help Freestyle return to it's original sound and help it return back to basics...
 
KENNY FO SHO WE NEED TO BREATHE SOME LIFE INTO IT AND WHO BETTER THEN THE ARTIST WHO HAVE ALREADY BEGUN TO MAKE THESE CHANGES IN THERE MUSIC. I AM ALL FOR IT COMBING ELEMENTS AND STYLES FROM TEH MUSIC I LOVE BRING IT, LETS DO THIS I AM GOING TO DO ALL I CAN TO CONTRIBUTE TO THIS. SO LETS KEEP IT MOVING I FEEL A LOT OF SURPRISES COMING ON HOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA 🙂
 
Martini said:
The Neptunes baby!!!

Right Rhoq? lol 😀
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I haven't been able to stop listening to their N.E.R.D. "IN SEARCH OF" album sice I bought it. The Neptunes are great, but even they are starting to show signs of weakness (Their tracks are begining to sound alike...They are starting to suffer from Adam Marano syndrome)...
 
Kay 7 and Tybless, I have waited a long time to see one of you guys take the bull by the horn and really ROLL WITH THIS...dayum...TKA gonna make it roll if you can get the support.

It looked like some artists where trying to tap into the pop/dance/trance market which I like but I am thinking this hip hop market should also be tried. It certainly can't hurt....Oh btw, TKA is playing on MEGA right now as I type....wooohooo.


(oh god Rhoq,,not another 1am in the making PLEASE SAY IT AINT SO)
 
Change

KAY,

I think you hit it right on point.
We have to start somewhere,someway.I think you have great idea's.
We have 2 track's on the Nu Image album where we did just that, slowed down the tempo . We must admit we don't know how people will receive the track because it is definately different Nu Image material.
We had to try something different though,singing the track did'nt feel different, but the music was something we had'nt tried.

I have also been noticing on some of the new r&b/hip hop tracks ,that producers are using more melodic sounds , compared to what they have produced in the past.
My thought is that we need to reach more people.A NEW sound would be the way to do that, but keep some elements of what we already now as freestyle.

I'm for what ever will work, and make way for what we are all trying to accomplish.

WWW.NUIMAGEWEB.COM

Tony G./Nu Image
 
I could do without Jay-Z but I wouldn't mind seeing Kelis (I HATE YOU SO MUCH RIGHT NOW...AARRRGGGGHHHHH!!!)
lol
 
rhoq .115bpm,s listen it ain,t gonna fly that way.
but i weclome you to prove me wrong .
we need to come in the door we've been waiting out side the club for too long .
the vibe will come from the melody believe me "f" yester year the now is what we got to compete with.
carlos took it in the right direction then but no one took it past that.
what you like about the neptunes is the synchopated beats they provide that 100bpm's guy and freestyle lyrics & melody can fit over that.
remember that story about the bulls [JACK DON,T EDIT THIS LEAVE IT DIRTY]
2 BULLS ON A MOUNTAIN OVER LOOKING A HURD OF COWS THE YOUNGER BULL SAYS HEY LETS "RUN" THERE AND !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A COW ...THE OLDER BULL SAYS NO LETS "WALK" DOWN AND !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THEM ALL.
use this as a reference to the speed of freestyle as oppose to that of the current pop scene .
the melody and the lyrics lastly thetype of artist is the elements freestyle can not do without
 
i defenitely like the idea of slowing down the beat

and we could use some new lyrics....i mean there is so much out there besides love that makes us freestyle freaks tick!!!

a mix of these 2 combinations can be exactly what we need to take freestyle to a new level

add some excellent vocals...like some new skool artists like nick colon or some legends like cynthia or lil suzy and we could something big on our hands

tyBless...i think u hit it right on the head this time!
 
I see what your saying, but at 100 BPM's you might not be able to pull in all of the hardcore Freestyle fans. At 115 BPM's (maybe even 110) the music will be just fast enough to get the attention from the Freestyle fans while still being slow enough to be played in the clubs and mixed in with the other current popular sounds...By slowing down the tempo to 100 BPM's I think you run the risk of alienating a large percentage of the Freestyle audience who might perceive this to be nothing more than a hip-hop/R&B record disguised as Freestyle. The slightly faster BPM's might help persuade them to support the effort.
 
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