real Freestyle vs. The Mainstream Crap which plauged radio

[Blacktino79]

I thought I'd start off my first post with the argument that I always have with one of my best friends, who's also a member here. We were talking about how a lot of the originators had really good production crews who arranged well, and wrote actual works of art. Examples would be Lisa Lisa, Joyce Simms, Shannon, Cover Girls and Freeze. I consider those early freestyle songs well arranged, radio worthy, and full of substance.

When other artists hit the scene in the late 80s, the songs became predicatble, empty, bubble-gumy, and most of the singers lacked talent, etc. What do you all think about that. I know Freestyle went mainstream later on in the 80s, and a lot of y'all like that stuff, but come in (IMO), that stuff compared to the early shit is garbage.

 

[Mysterious Darkness]

I thought I'd start off my first post with the argument that I always have with one of my best friends, who's also a member here. We were talking about how a lot of the originators had really good production crews who arranged well, and wrote actual works of art. Examples would be Lisa Lisa, Joyce Simms, Shannon, Cover Girls and Freeze. I consider those early freestyle songs well arranged, radio worthy, and full of substance.

That's because at that time freestyle was acceptable by mainstream. It was an after disco, early dance genre that was growing and it seem ok to the mass to accept it. It was the proper sound for that time.


"When other artists hit the scene in the late 80s, the songs became predicatble, empty, bubble-gumy, and most of the singers lacked talent, etc. What do you all think about that. I know Freestyle went mainstream later on in the 80s, and a lot of y'all like that stuff, but come in (IMO), that stuff compared to the early shit is garbage."


That's because alot of the people (latins mostly) found the new recipe for $$$ in music at that time (freestyle) and they were out there making records and not thinking about the music but the $$$. That's why they all sound the same. At that time, freestyle was made by the latins in their low budget independent record companies and there were other small companies who saw that they were doing good in the business as well and tried to duplicate the success. The result was more hits until slowly, as the years went by, they became mostly bad songs + some good songs which resulted into a dead genre that couldn't grow anymore than it could because of it's lack of creativity and desperate producers who were only after the dollar.

The good stuff that hit it big were the ones that major companies bought into.

Those major companies that bought into freestyle for the time being wanted to change their sound into pop. That's part of the reason why it died as well.

 

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[YOUNG MEGATRON]

Well. Yodays music is recorded differntly then it was back then , No one uses DAT any more , its all Misic Software Programs and so on. Also back then, there was money to be made....so people spent big on production. It was a new sound and a different time. Today its mostly Producers with a HOME Studio.......workin with what they have.

Freestyle Sounded better then it doese now: OK ....Maybee in your oppinion. But The vibes I get off the more progressive, newer stuff, is the same exact vibes yall got off the old school stuff. New freestyle Today is the same as what old freestyle was yesterday.

Its just Some people refuse to "let go" and move on. They want to keep on hearing the cover girs aand Sweet Sensation for the rest of there lives........and thats too bad , not just for them because there missing out on some really bomb ass music, but also for the newer struggling freestyle artist who are not only getting dissed by Radio / retail, but also there own music genre.

That stuff from the 80's was BOMB., But it can never be done again. that sound , the feeling , and all the wonderfull combined elements put togeather on those tracks were there on the spot in that paticular moment in time.

Now its a new time with new elements and moods for new production.

If I made you a custom Vase that was like no other in the world , and you loved it more then any thing else on the planet.....and it fell and broke. And I made you thousends of more vases but none of them could ever match the original that broke, would you refuse and reject them , and call them garbage??

And the new schoolers will vouch for that. We love the new stuff.

 

[jboyvip]

Every music genre has their ups and downs, good songs and bad songs with their own negativities such as stereotypes. Freestyle is no exception. However, in general, old school was the best as it created history (duh! Talk about Shannon, Nayobe, Joyce Simms, Alison Moyet-Yaz, Freeez, C-Bank, Jellybean, Xena, Lisa Lisa and the Cult Jam, Alisha, Debbie Deb, Jay Novelle, George Kranz, Tina B, Freestyle, Jasmin, Nolan Thomas, Dan Hartman, Rochelle, and Aleem). Nevertheless, some of the New School Freestyle kick some if not most of the old school's butt. I do admit that every year the music in general is beginning to suck and people are trying to relive the 70s, 80s, and 90s. Personally, I'm tired of the Punk Rock, the Bling Bling rap, and cheesy-predicatble pop. At least Dance music knows how to reinvent itself such as soul/R&B music and is full of positive vibes. Personally, I do agree that Freestyle's best was during the years 1982-1985. Freeez, Shannon, Lisa Lisa and the Cult Jam, Jellybean, Joyce Simms, Nayobe, C-Bank, and Alisha rocked my world.

 

[YOUNG MEGATRON]

Well. Yodays music is recorded differntly then it was back then , No one uses DAT any more , its all Misic Software Programs and so on. Also back then, there was money to be made....so people spent big on production. It was a new sound and a different time. Today its mostly Producers with a HOME Studio.......workin with what they have.

Freestyle Sounded better then it doese now: OK ....Maybee in your oppinion. But The vibes I get off the more progressive, newer stuff, is the same exact vibes yall got off the old school stuff. New freestyle Today is the same as what old freestyle was yesterday.

Its just Some people refuse to "let go" and move on. They want to keep on hearing the cover girs aand Sweet Sensation for the rest of there lives........and thats too bad , not just for them because there missing out on some really bomb ass music, but also for the newer struggling freestyle artist who are not only getting dissed by Radio / retail, but also there own music genre.

That stuff from the 80's was BOMB., But it can never be done again. that sound , the feeling , and all the wonderfull combined elements put togeather on those tracks were there on the spot in that paticular moment in time.

Now its a new time with new elements and moods for new production.

If I made you a custom Vase that was like no other in the world , and you loved it more then any thing else on the planet.....and it fell and broke. And I made you thousends of more vases but none of them could ever match the original that broke, would you refuse and reject them , and call them garbage??

And the new schoolers will vouch for that. We love the new stuff.

I used the word DAT earlier ......thats (DIGITAL ADIO TAPE) for those who mighy have miss understood. Am old But Great Quality in sound meathod of recording................And yes Old school was the best freestyle .........To the old schoolers, But any one who came on the sceane later in life will identify with the new school progressive sound....Its all oppinion and where your from and what era you came on the sceane.....NOTHING ELSE!! No ones better then any one else.

I dont see The Beatles being Compared to Arow smith, but its all Rock and roll, I dont see Dougy Fresh Being compared to J-Z, and its all RAP. Time Changes=Music changes........Its that Simple.

 

[jboyvip]

I used the word DAT earlier ......thats (DIGITAL ADIO TAPE) for those who mighy have miss understood. Am old But Great Quality in sound meathod of recording................And yes Old school was the best freestyle .........To the old schoolers, But any one who came on the sceane later in life will identify with the new school progressive sound....Its all oppinion and where your from and what era you came on the sceane.....NOTHING ELSE!! No ones better then any one else.

I dont see The Beatles being Compared to Arow smith, but its all Rock and roll, I dont see Dougy Fresh Being compared to J-Z, and its all RAP. Time Changes=Music changes........Its that Simple.

Sorry, but even in the rock and rap world, people are being compared so what are you talking about? 2Pac vs Doug E Fresh, Biggie vs Jay-Z, etc. etc. etc. Britney Spears vs Cyndi Lauper etc. etc. etc. To tell you the truth, I heard New School Freestyle first before Old School Freestyle, and I definitely connect more to the Old School sound. Also, where your from and the era you heard Freestyle (music in general) does not necessarily influence a person. And yes, there are better artists than others if you mean it in that way (No one's better then anyone else). No one can top the legends Cynthia, Judy Torres, George Lamond, Stevie B, and Lil' Suzy, just to name a few. Whitney Houston, Aretha Franklin, 2Pac...need I say more?

 

[YOUNG MEGATRON]

Sorry, but even in the rock and rap world, people are being compared so what are you talking about? 2Pac vs Doug E Fresh, Biggie vs Jay-Z, etc. etc. etc. Britney Spears vs Cyndi Lauper etc. etc. etc. To tell you the truth, I heard New School Freestyle first before Old School Freestyle, and I definitely connect more to the Old School sound. Also, where your from and the era you heard Freestyle (music in general) does not necessarily influence a person. And yes, there are better artists than others if you mean it in that way (No one's better then anyone else). No one can top the legends Cynthia, Judy Torres, George Lamond, Stevie B, and Lil' Suzy, just to name a few. Whitney Houston, Aretha Franklin, 2Pac...need I say more?

OK, looks like you compleatly miss interpeted what Im saying , so listen: Im talking about rap listners. They dont be bitching and wining because JZ can never be like dougy fresh, or How the new rap styles bother them and the new stuff sucks, and its all about "old school hip hop". you dont hear Rock and roll people bashing todays rock sayin that The old rock this and the old rock that, They move on. Get it? They accept change. Thats how and why there music keeps going strong and ours keeps falling.

Now what era and where your from , shit ...it has EVRY THING to do with it. Thats why if you read all past post, yoll find all the older freestylas dissing progressive, all the progressive freestylas saying we need to move on, Thats the Most obviouse out of all of them, if you cant see that ,your blind. Read all the past post on west coast freestyle, youll see that where your from and what era your from has evry thing to do with it. Read what all the east coast cats feel about the west coast sound. Read all past post on progressive freestyle , again youll see the same results. Research how old thease people are and what Regions there from. put thease catagorys in the search box above and do some seriouse reading. It will be clear to you then and youll see what im talkin about.

no ones better then any one else: Of course if your referring to vocal ability and song writing, but im talkin on old and new. theres no better style....its ALL oppinion.

the artists you named earlyer, well you said it with your own mouth. You called them legends. your rite about that. They are LEGENDS. you think i dont have those cd's and play them all the time?? But why should my love for freestyle stop there? Theres new artist and albums that are just as sick and not sicker. and please Understand...I aint talkin about that 2004 freestyle that sounds like its from 1987. I aint gonna mention no names cuase im not out to diss any producers are artists. But Im talkin bout the stuff that acually has that progressive antidote.

You said you started off with new but relized old was the way to go, well good for you, congradulations. You and many others are the cause of the freestyle stand still. I wonder if youll understand that one. What "NEW" freestyle were you listning to anywayz? Im sure theyd like to know what they can do to sound a little more 1986........maybee then theyll blow up and freestyle will comeback.

 

[jboyvip]

QUOTE=YOUNG MEGATRON]OK, looks like you compleatly miss interpeted what Im saying , so listen: Im talking about rap listners. They dont be bitching and wining because JZ can never be like dougy fresh, or How the new rap styles bother them and the new stuff sucks, and its all about "old school hip hop".

OK, looks like you completely didn't listen to what I was trying to get across. First of all, this goes out to all the ignorant people in the world (one of the reasons why Freestyle music fell the way it did), in the rap world, RAP LSITENERS do whine and bitch over a variety of issues. You have the conscious rappers vs the mainstream rappers that people bug out about. You have some that whine that people don't give Em the props to be compared to 2Pac. You have people whining about how the new rap styles (Crunk rap or Dirty South Rap-ex: Lil' Jon and Tha Eastside Boyz) bother them, and there is a shift in the class between Old School Hip Hoppers and New School Hip Hoppers (every music genre has its differences!)

you dont hear Rock and roll people bashing todays rock sayin that The old rock this and the old rock that, They move on. Get it? They accept change. Thats how and why there music keeps going strong and ours keeps falling.

Not only do some of these Rock and Roll artists resent today's "cheesy, poppish punk rock", but you also have a lot of people who resent it also. In every genre, obviously, everybody has not MOVED ON. Not everyone accepts change-this applies to everything. Their music is strong because it always has been the staple of American culture, the mainstream "pop" culture dating back to the early 1900s. It has been an accepted form because most of the people back then and today listen to either Hip Hop/R&B or Rock or Pop, especially amongst the teenagers. The reason why Freestyle music is so hard to get it mainstream because a majority of the people here don't like Dance music-but overseas it is very popular. The reason why Hip Hop became successful is because it has been able to really crossover and blend into different forms of music and can better relate to today's youth (with all the sex, violence, drugs, partying, etc) Freestyle is really about romance or having a good time which many people can't relate to nowadays cuz everyone wants to have a hardcore attitude. In the Freestyle world, some people have accepted change. Like I said earlier, there is always going to be that clash of differences in any muisc genre, and Freestyle is no different. No one should stereotype saying that Old Schoolers hate this New Freestyle and vice versa. Personally and for my friends, for example, we embrace both schools of Freestyle. The old has had its goods and bads just the same with new school. Another reason why Freestyle music can't really become popular is because people outside the circle stereotype it with negativity so much that they refuse to listen to it or kept hearing the same beats over and over for them to generalize it (Everyone must think for themselves and do some research-find out what's good and bad). Freestyle will always be around, and New School Freestyle is great just as Old School was. Freestyle music in general is tight and has always been a source of change. It embraces R&B, Hip Hop (Freestyle is Latin Hip Hop itself), Pop, etc. It's a versatile form of music.

 

[jboyvip]

Now what era and where your from , shit ...it has EVRY THING to do with it. Thats why if you read all past post, yoll find all the older freestylas dissing progressive, all the progressive freestylas saying we need to move on, Thats the Most obviouse out of all of them, if you cant see that ,your blind. Read all the past post on west coast freestyle, youll see that where your from and what era your from has evry thing to do with it. Read what all the east coast cats feel about the west coast sound. Read all past post on progressive freestyle , again youll see the same results. Research how old thease people are and what Regions there from. put thease catagorys in the search box above and do some seriouse reading. It will be clear to you then and youll see what im talkin about.

QUIT STEREOTYPING!!!!! I have a friend in San Diego who likes East Coast (or more specifically, Miami Freestyle) than West Coast. I even got a sister in New York who likes both coasts-she likes Freestyle in general. As said earlier, you have people who like both Schools of Freestyle, but one more than the other. AND NO, WHAT ERA AND WHERE YOU'E FROM DOESN'T HAVE EVERYTHING TO DO WITH IT. Personally, I like Old School more, but I also like New School Freestyle because it has been able to merge with Trip Hop, Breakbeat, Trance, etc. etc. I know old school Freestylers who like both the old school and progressive Freestyle.

no ones better then any one else: Of course if your referring to vocal ability and song writing, but im talkin on old and new. theres no better style....its ALL oppinion.

YES IT'S ALL OPINION, BUT RESPECT-WISE, NOTHING CAN TOP THE OLDIES IN ANY FORM OF MUSIC. EACH YEAR, YOU SEE ARTISTS TRYING TO SAMPLE FROM MUSIC LONG AGO (AS IF THAT ISN'T OBVIOUS ENOUGH). MANY OF THESE NEW SCHOOL FREESTYLE CATS USE THE BAMBATAA'S PLANET ROCK BEATS, FOR EXAMPLE AND EVEN ELECTRO BEATS THAT WAS SO FAMOUS IN THE EARL 80S (FREEEZ, YAZ00, C-BANK, ETC.)

the artists you named earlyer, well you said it with your own mouth. You called them legends. your rite about that. They are LEGENDS. you think i dont have those cd's and play them all the time?? But why should my love for freestyle stop there? Theres new artist and albums that are just as sick and not sicker. and please Understand...I aint talkin about that 2004 freestyle that sounds like its from 1987. I aint gonna mention no names cuase im not out to diss any producers are artists. But Im talkin bout the stuff that acually has that progressive antidote.

I NEVER SAID THAT ANYONE SHOULD JUST LISTEN TO OLD SCHOOL AND THE LEGENDS. WE HAVE SOME NEW LEGENDS TOO IN NEW SCHOOL FREESTYLE. PERSONALLY, AS I WILL SAY A TRILLION TIMES, I LOVE BOTH FORMS OF FREESTYLE-FREESTYLE IN GENERAL. I SAID IF YOU READ MY OTHER POSTS THAT SOME OF NEW SCHOOL FREESTYLE CATS KICK SOME OF THE OLD SCHOOL'S BUTT.

You said you started off with new but relized old was the way to go, well good for you, congradulations. You and many others are the cause of the freestyle stand still. I wonder if youll understand that one. What "NEW" freestyle were you listning to anywayz? Im sure theyd like to know what they can do to sound a little more 1986........maybee then theyll blow up and freestyle will comeback.[/QUOTE]

I AM REALLY FEELING SYNTHIA FIGUEROA, THE OFFICERS, DIMI, FREDA, ASHLEY, MANNY, AYNA, NAYA, NICK COLON, CHEREE, ZOE, WILLIE VALENTIN, AND TRU VOICES. RIGHT NOW, I'M PUMPING MANNY'S CD, AYNA'S SONGS, AND ASHLEY'S SONGS. AND STEREOTYPING SAYING THAT THE OLD SCHOOLERS ARE THE REASON FOR THE FREESTYLE STANDSTILL IS THE REASON WHY THE GAP WIDENS. THE MAJOR REASON WHY FREESTYLE VIRTAULLY COLLAPSED IS BECAUSE OF THE FLOOD OF PLANET-ROCK LIKE BEATS THAT EMBRACED BOTH OLD SCHOOL AND NEW SCHOOL (LISETTE MELENDEZ) AND THE GREEDYMONGERS AROUND. ALSO THE LACK OF SUPPORT FROM RADIO STATIONS AND MTV AND BET. THERE. SAID IT. IF YOU WANNA GO AHEAD AND SAY THAT OLD SCHOOLERS ARE THE REASON FOR THE STANDSTILL, THEN NEW SCHOOLERS ARE TOO! YOU HAVE MANY SAMPLING THE PLANET ROCK SOUND, THE EURO SOUND, OR THE ELECTRO SOUND. RAPPERS, ROCKERS, POPPERS, ETC. JUST LAUGH AND RIDICULE THE MUSIC BECAUSE OF THIS.

I'LL SAY IT ONCE AND I'LL SAY IT AGAIN (AFTER A TRILLION TIMES), BOTH FORMS OF FREESTYLE ARE GREAT AND I'M GLAD THAT FREESTYLE IS STILL AROUND TODAY. OVERALL, THE MUSIC IS VERSATILE AND VERY TIGHT. IN THE OLD SCHOOL AND NEW SCHOOL, YOU HAVE GREAT PEOPLE AND GREAT SONGS.

IF YOU CHECK THE TOP 10 FOR EVERY MONTH, YOU'LL SEE I HAVE MY NEW SCHOOL FAVORITES AND MY OLD SCHOOL FAVORITES. SO WHAT RESEARCH HAVE YOU BEEN DOING? CHECK YOURSELF BEFORE YOU COME AT ME AGAIN.

 

[YOUNG MEGATRON]

The research Im referring to is is the Search Box. When you log in and you have the options of Quick Links, Search and a Few others.If you type the any key word in that box it will bring up all threads that had that word in it. its great for info on a artists or researching the oppinions on certain subjects like i did. and after doing that a Couple of times on newfreestyle, progressive freestyle, canadian freestyle, ero and west coast freestyle, It was OVBIOUSE to me why freestyle is the dilemma its in now.

So let me get this out of the way 1st thing, after reading your post , I will openly admitt......I AM GUILTY OF STERIO TYPING YOU . I THREW YOU IN THE CATAGORY OF THEASE NEW SCHOOL HATERZ THAT DESTROYED THE MUSIC I CHERRISH......FREESTYLE. SO WITH OUT FURTHER ADUE.........MY BAD, I APPOLOGIZE. How ever the shit I posted was real talk and even though it shouldnt have been aimed directly towerds you........IM glad Its there for The CF members to see.........So they can soak up some game. You see at least 60% of this site if not more needed to see that shit, because its real blood. Its the exact reason freestyle is suffering neglect and abuse from Society. You cant keep playing the SAME FREESTYLE on the radio, and keep selling the SAME freestyle comps in stores for 15 years and wonder why youth dont listen to freestyle like other genres.

I still dont agree on the rap and rock thing because i dont hear any one complaining. How ever , who ever is complaing isnt being heard because theres a new rap and rock release evry day, and a new song to hit the air on radio evry day.

So Im glad to get that out of the way, I dont like arguing or having people be bitter at me, and Im not scared to admit when Im wrong or stand corrected.

 

[beatsfromdapast]

its all personal what one likes best. i myself was only an old schooler. to me fs was dead in 1992. i refused to get into the new stuff cuz of all the stupid planet rock beat sampling.
but my cousin got back into music once we started hanging out again, and he was buying new school fs cds. i wasnt interested and it took a while, but i broke down and started digging the new school stuff - - - SOME. then i started buying the records. now im totally into it simply because there ARE some bloody FANTASTIC tracks of the new school. now i buy everything if its fs.
my opinion is that 1987 which had to be the best year of fs, will never happen again but thats ok.