Pop Artists doing more Freestyle than freestyle artists

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GrkFS22 said:
It sucks that Coro's new album is everything BUT Freestyle... >=[
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EXACTLY! That's actually what motivated me to start this thread. I went on his website and listened to the samples and none of it was freestyle. What a shame. I hate it when the old school freestylers try to convince us that freestyle is not really a genre of music, but more a mental illness that the fans have-"they are not freestyle artists, never were-it's our mistake for categorizing them as that and thus limiting/ruining their careers". Yet we are the only ones who even remember them. We are the reasons why there's any hype left behind their names at all. When they perform, it's usually a freestyle or freestyle related event where they sing only their freestyle songs. People usually groan or stop paying attention when they try to sneak in one of their new pop house/euro tracks. No one wants to hear the other stuff. Yet they continue to make more of the other stuff anyways. They want to put out music that the fans specifically DO NOT WANT and then they wonder why their records don't sell.
 
I like when artists; especially, the old legends diversify themselves and create new and different music. It is good to experiment. However, i do feel they should not forget their core audience! For Example, Coro's new upcoming album. Now, I personally dig his new stuff but could he have atleast put in MAYBE one or two hot new freestyle tracks? I truly was anticipating ALL OF THESE YEARS for a hot new Freestyle/Dance album. So, I am a bit dissappointed. All we can do in that situation is support them to the fullest - My take

Peace
 
This is sad to see what freestyle has become. Everyone just want to brand or find hints of freestyle in artists that are popular just to say freestyle is alive and still influencing the music/club scene. We all here want freestyle to come back in a strong way, but always talking about how top 40 artists have sounds, beats, etc of freestyle in there music is simply ridiculous. I think Jimmy Buffet is freestyle, since he whines so much. Freestyle music has influenced him. This is a ridiculous statement, because it's false. I guess we can also say any song with a keyboard and a drum machine is freestyle? Freestyle was a style to it's own. Artists such as Coro and TKA unfortunately put out songs that are not freestyle because the fans, (us) have abandon them. Money talks, if the release a freestyle album, how many people actually buy it? How many people get bootleg copies and mixes of the songs where the artist never recieves any royalties? If a freestyle artist released an album, and the sales were to equal those of the Cover Girls and Stevie B of the 80's, you would see freestyle coming back. Unfortunately, that has not been the case. The fan base is much smaller now. The artists need to attempt to earn a living too. They are trying to break into the mainstream to make it. An example, I am curious how many people have supported Nu Image's cd. The samples I heard sound great, but the fans have to support it.
 
Yeah, I was seriously dissapointed when I heard Coro's album. I got to admit that I don't even listen to rap or hip-hop anymore. So I seriously CRAVE for Freestyle. And when oldschool artists just dump Freestyle and get into hip hop... it just blows! Freestyle is so unique and hip hop.. letz just say it isn't anymore. So when I hear one of Coro's new songs it's just like any other main stream song.. It just passes by the audience.
 
The Only Madonna Songs That Were Freestyle Were Sidewalks Talk Where She Was A Backup Singer And Rescue Me Only Because They Were Always Mixed In On Freestyle Megamixes. But Her Live Concert In Italy Had The Company B Dog Bark From Full Circle.
 
The fans did not abandon TKA or Coro. They abandoned the fans. I honestly feel that TKA Forever would have sold more copies if the whole thing would have been 80s style Freestyle. They went after the mainstream and the mainstream didn't want them. We wanted them, yet they did not want us. Consequently all parties involved ended up with nothing. The outcome would have been a lot better (probably not gold or platinum or anything like that), but still better had they done the right thing. The reason why TKA's fan base was considerably less even before they snaked Freestyle was because they hadn't come out with a record collectively under the original group name in about 9 years. If Fat Joe don't come out with anything for almost a decade, he'd would be forgotten also, no matter how alive or dead hip hop was to be. The fact that freestyle in general hadn't been coming out all that much from 1996 to 2001 also didn't help as many fans stopped paying attention, thinking the music was dead. No matter what the scenerio, if the known artists had kept at least making new freestyle that the fans could get their hands on, everyone in the freestyle industry would be selling more records.
 
freestyle needs to change with the times every other genre of music has and they flourished i for one liked tka forever and like the direction coro is going these aryists for the most part are very creative the last thing i would do is limit them to what they can do creatively
 
Kenny,

You must be deaf. The beat on "Toxic" is exactly "Planet Rock" and almost all of "Music" by Madonna" was a salute to "Trans Europe Express" by Kraftwerk. Both of those records are like the bedrocks of Freestyle. Just because they don't have some young girl singing off-key doesn't mean they are not Freestyle.
 
no, im not deaf, i just know FREESTYLE.

there isnt freestyle in there. sorry.

dont you think if there was, there one be some FRIGGIN MENTION OF IT BY THE ARTISTS OR DJ'S?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?

Nope. its just by hopless freestyle fans that want to pin the title on something current.

if i went by your assumptions, i would be able to lable just about every song out there "freestyle" because is has the "love theme" in them.


lets face it, freestyle is just music and its stagnent.
 
I agree Kenny.

And FreestyleHead, the fans did abandon freestyle. Even now days, when I go to a Freestyle concert, you only see a very small handful of people show up to them. I couldn't believe that the TKA, STevie B, George Lamond, and CORO concert had maybe 100 people show up. Do you think there is any money in freestyle when an artist puts a cd out and you have all the expenses for that cd, inluding production, advertising, writers, labels, etc. and they only sell a handful of records? Heck Stevie B in the last few years during concerts, was selling a pack of his cd's which had 8 of them for $35. How much profit is there in that? We have to open our eyes and see the truth for what freestyle has really become. Even the DJs that loved freestyle back in the 80's and 90's, really don't spin freestyle anymore due to a lack of fan base. People now want to hear R&B and Rap. This does make me sick, but it's the truth.
 
WELL SAID, dj stav!!!

lets face reality. why would the huge artists of today do a sound that isnt even selling to its most die-hard fans? because its DEAD!!!

We can only blame ourselves.
 
hi pete
i understand your plight here its simple mathematics
everyday one of thirty thousand die hard freestyle fans [new york area only for this statement] walks away from the music
half of that number will buy the song or album probably a quarter of that will download it and most of the rest are fair weathered fans who only come out to one of three major freestyle events in the new york area yearly [not including regular club gigs ]
radio has turned its back on this music in the state that its in .only two sometimes three radio stations in the city will play the music mainly during a lunch time mix show or specialty show .the britney”s and pink”s of the world can easily work it into their style with out it effecting their livelihood BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE “MACHINE” BEHIND THEM [ARTISTIC FREEDOM,MONEY, EXCECUTIVES]for some of us we would love to give you more but record companies want numbers and dollars and they want their artist to be current with the style. in its current state freestyle has not changed much since mr.Carlos Berrrios merged it first with more break beats we are working with an old formula and for something call free style we are not free to do anything new with it without it being called selling out . some of us will always be linked to this music because of how we write songs or sing them or our tonality [is that a word?].so we want to fit in the market place to make money to feed our families on a regular .
NOW I under stand you. you want your music the way you want it without no additives pure as possible .with this being so make it part of your business to make us more than a compilation or a once in awhile event fight hard make a plan and start a revolution….[damn I've said that every year since I’ve been a member]
for a revolution you need
d.j's
street teams
record companies
new producers
money
lastly you the fans
 
It's probably easier for a pop artist to release a track with a freestyle sound. I do notice that the music in a lot of pop music is reminiscent of freestyle beat-wise. The 80's are also resurfacing in hip-hop and pop. With artists like Missy Elliott & Timbaland going straight old school on the new school tip, OutKast taking it back to the 808 on quite a few tracks, Jay-Z recording with Rick Rubin, and Britney Spears recording new-wave type tracks and even getting Madonna (an 80's pop star) to record with her.

In any situation, the bigger you get, the more you can do. It's especially true for artists. Once they get big enough, they've already established a solid fan base. They have people who will support them in whatever they do. Look at OutKast, for a hip-hop group to do songs like the singles off their last album and succeed just proves it. Once you get big enough you can basically do whatever the phuck u want to artistically.
 
In My Oppinion, The Freestyle comming out in the next 5 years will be done by the kids barely catching on to what freestyle is now. The 18 yr old dj's and the 17 yr old keyboardist who messes around in his room makin beats. A major record company will NEVER touch freestyle again un till we as fans and musicians can prove its worthy. Just like K7 said most fans dont even buy freestyle any more!!!! Its true. Money talks, thats why the in the next 5 yrs youll be hearing new freestyle from a whole new generation and it will be done independently. Freestyle will make a comeback, but it will still be the most underrated and underground music around, even at its good point.
 
Props going out to the talented and creative Missy Elliot for sampling the SoHo track, "Hot", in her current single.

That shit is "hot" and watch how the clubs will bump that house track as if it were brand new....

No, it ain't Freestyle. But who cares, it's House and she know's what she's doing.

Hint hint....
 
K7 tka said:
creativity i forgot
add water watch it grow
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Yo K7:
It's good to see that you read this thread. Obviously, the "Forever" album was a big part of the point that I am trying to make. I know there's a lot that goes on behind the scenes that can often times keep an artist from making the music that they really want to make. However, I still do feel that if you wanted to do something different and shock the world, you should have just made the whole thing Freestyle and I don't just mean Freestyle, I mean straight up old skool hard hittin' Latin Hip Hop Freestyle. NOW THAT WOULD HAVE SHOCKED THE WORLD! I honestly feel that part of what hurt the album was that in being "different" it was way too predictable. Everyone involved with the music industry and fans who have a better than average understanding of it, expected an album with some pop, some R&B, and some house music. And of course that's what they got. Anytime I hear that a "freestyle legend" is coming out with a new album, that's exactly what I'm expecting. It's too basic and cookie cutter of a formula. Now Coro is using that same predictable formula. Music is all about shocking the world and if y'all had come out Freestyle, that would have shocked the world. It was like a situation where everyone expected to be disappointed and they were disappointed. I guess we'll never know what would have really happened, but I honestly feel that TKA Forever would have been more successful had it been 100% Freestyle. I know as an artist, you want to be at least a little diverse, so you could made the non-freestyle songs either reggaeton or like the K7 solo album. That way at least the whole thing would have been street. I often wonder why freestyle artists choose to do R&B and Pop instead of reggaeton or having rappers on their songs. There's good change and bad change. For some reason, whenever a freestyle artist changes something, it's always to make it more pop rather than street and I don't understand that.
 
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