Chican@s in FREESTYLE?

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"The eyes.....They never lie"
 
It was Latin Nation, not Arturo, who...

It was Latin Nation, not Arturo, who said Chicanos were from Chicago.

- Fernando Benitez from San Diego, CA -
 
Yo Arturo!!! & Everyone else too.

First off The word "Chicano" is a Tahuatl word meaning "People Of The Durt", meaning land. 2nd off the snake was a sign of the gods of where they would build there new home, after walking from the north poll down. The land was called "Olmeca", the mother of pre-latin culture. The begining of "teotiocan" was the begining of the end of t "Olmeca", during this time another Mexican culture that devolped was "The Mayas".

Other Tlanuatl words that we use every day, like the word "Chicano" are "Tamal", Tomate", "Comal", "Platano" in spanish is "Banana". "Rosa" are all indijena words.

Now, On Aztlan, well there is no history showing that there was an Aztlan in our "lands". There is history of a place named Aztlan, but it has never been found. Many people argue if it was in "New Mexico" or near "Mazatlan" Pretty crazy right?

One thing is true of "Aztlan" Its a simbal that has brought "Chicanos" together in a culture that is far from home. Now, we I say "US" I'm talking about people with "Indijena Blood"

Another thing, if you know your Mexican history you will see that Los Pelegrinos that crossed the lands of the whole so called "Americas" where waiting for the Mother of there God to walk over the the moon, crushing the evil snake.


P.E.ace
Delicious,D
 
Sorry Guys

Maybe i'm wrong, maybe i'm not, but hey Mexican will be Mexican regardless where you were born. I follow what I've been told since I was a kid, but if it's not true sorry 😛 ...lol.... Just make sure your proud to be MEXICAN, PROUD OF BEING LATINO, AND PROUD OF BEING A FREESTYLE FREAK OK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
tury q originally came from el paso, tx - he then moved over here to austin and released his cd through turntable records (record shop) then a while afterwards - the album was picked up by HOT!
 
"No hay odio de razas porque no hay razas"

is what José Martí said and well he was being very idealistic, but in fact, scientifically there are no races,
there's only one race... anyway, I'm of Middle European descent i guess (mostly swiss german and southern german, some french and italian), still living there actually (Basel). -
 
Tury Q

Tury Q is badass~~~> He's currently a local DJ in Austin Texas....
 
Ok first off, i doubt very much that 'Chicanos' refers to people from Chicago, although i wouldn't mind if that became official, so that Mexicans in the Southwest would cease to be tagged with that term...

> well, some ppl like the term you know "Chicano and I'm brown and proud" (Kid Frost)

I know that the word 'Chicano' was originally used by White people (Euro-Americans) in an attempt to insult Latinos...


> yeah, i think it was originally used pejorative, but also by Mexicans I think....

since the original word of the word 'Chicano' is 'dog'...later on, however many people of Mexican decent adopted the term...

> well, the origin of the word is definitely DISPUTED, but by no means clear. I've seen many different etymologies, e.g. the one that derives it from Me-xicano (would be possible: <x> was pronounced as an english sh in old spanish, and later developed it's modern sound value [h] , [x], [ç].... but in native mexican languages, the <x> i.e. sh-sound probably was still pronounced as a sh, so when speakers of spanish later took over the word xicano, they pronounced it as chicano with a spanish ch, coz this is the spanish sound closest to sh (although ch is affricated /tS/ and sh is /S/ just a fricative). But of course, there are other etymologies... the 1st one i read about was an etymology that linked it to "chicanear" and so on. which definitely makes sense if it was originally solely a pejorative term - in order to insult mexican americanz.

I was once told by a college professor, that the term Chicanos, was used specifically for people (Mexicans) who ended up on this side (USA) of the border, immediately following the Mexican/American War of 1848, since the United States stole more than half of the land of what was then Mexico, including (California, Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, and part of Oklahoma) many Mexicans ended up on this side of the border, and immediately became 'American citizens' since this land was now part of the United States. However since they were not very well accepted by White people, the term 'Chicano' was used to refer to them/insult them...In other words 'Chicanos' are people who's families have been in the USA since 1848, and not the descendants of Mexican people who emigrate to the United States.

> yeah, well. but there are many ppl who came to the US later on and are still called chicanos, or call themselves chicanos. i mean,of c. you can argue that this is incorrect use of the term, but if ppl are sayin "I'm chicano", i mean, that's their way of reprezenting themselvez...

Now as far as Aztlán being an invention of the Anglos, i honestly dismiss that possibility...i had however kept an open mind about it being an invention, and i feel that if anything, it was an invention of the Mexican Government, in an attempt to make it's (Mexico's) story somewhat more interesting, and gain acceptance of indigenous peoples...


> oh well. anyway. i probably have to read the article again, and then I'll lecha know what it sez.
it's called "Atrlán, Montezuma and New Mexico: The Political Uses of American Indian Mythology", by Ramón A. Guttiérrez, feecherd in the volume _ Aztlán. Essays on the Chicano Homeland_ , edited by Anaya and Lomdi. 1989)


afterall, the Mexican flag shows the eagle on the cactus, with the serpent in its mouth, the sign that the Aztecs supposedly saw when they came from Aztlán...so if signs of Aztlán are on the Mexican flag, it can only mean that the either, the legend is true...or Mexico came up with the invention before the Anglos...
 
The term "chicano" gained its popularity in the 1960's when Cezar Chavez was fighting to farm workers rights, mexican college students from California to Texas used the term to identify themselve with the civil rights movement, which included the Brown Berets, a mexican version of the Black Panthers. Now it is used to identify the first generation born in the USA of a family that has migrated from Mexico to the USA. "D" you hit it on the mark too. As for Aztlan it is the mythical homeland of the Aztec Indians, covering Southern California to the Gulf Of Mexico and Northern Mexico. States included are Arizona, New Mexico and Texas.

As Far as Mexican artists, or American Artists of Mexican Descent... There are several including: Spanish Fly,Angelina, George Patino, Danny Damien, Leo Deleon, Dj Felony, Marcos B., Chris Diaz, Tez2Plez, Brissa, Nasty Boy Click, Randy Galaxy and his crew, I believe are mostly Mexican, and many more. Being from Dallas, I have had the pleasure of working with most of the Texas artists. Since we spin them alot at the station.

I am a Mexican-American first and foremost, second I am Latino since the basis of the all spanish languages is LATIN.

The stereotypes that have been presented under this topic have me wondering many things....
But that can wait for another day. It just pains me that a man as great as Cezar Chavez is still being assaulted by ignorance and stupidity...and from his own race...

And I also wonder what a person that lives in Chicago would think if I tried to define his/her culture when I have never lived it. Speak only on what you know, not on what you assume.... Cera la voca y no entra las moschas......
 
All I can say is that I am a 31 year old 5th generation Chicano & I am born & raised in La Villita (Little Village) in Chicago. I was born on 21st & Sac & grew up there through the '70's. I always heard the term Chicano as a youngster & up to now it was my understanding that the term was slang for Mexicano.......Xicano is what it came from supposedly. Like I said, that is the way I was brought up & to this day I never heard of it as being a derogatorive term towards us. I saw alot of articles, shirts, grafitti, tattoos & flyers growing up in my barrio with a fist & chain saying "Chicano Power". I guess that had something to do with what was said by Synbad about it going back to Cesar Chavez in the '60's. To me that sounds like the closest thing to the truth. As far as I care I am "CHICANO POWER" & could careless if a white person thinks that they are putting me down by calling me that. CHICANO POWER til I DIE!
 
BTW Alex LatinNation,

Ese, Vato, Chale, Simon, plus a gang load of other words I don't want to teach youse is used in TX. Those are SW terms from Califas to Tejas & everythang in between. As far as Chicago people are concerned they are called Chicagoans. Tejanos are born in TX. Chicanos are born in the U.S., from a Mexican descent. Tejano's look down on Mexicanos. I guess their belief is "Hey, the river crossed me, I didn't cross the river". The Mexicanos look at us as Pocho. Pero eso va para toda las razas. Anyway, all I have to say is wait til 2005-2010. Los Latinos vana tumbar le la copa en todo su madre.......
 
Research Results

I couldn't find where the term Chicano came from, but I found out our population.


Mexicans 66.1%
Central/South Americans 14.5%
Puerto Rican 9%
Cuban 4%
Other 6.5%


I'm off to bed, gotta go PRAISE MY LORD & SAVIOUR tomorrow. I will research the term tomorrow night.
 
B.I.G.R.A.U.L....I gave you a whole week to realize the mistake you made, but you didn't come through, so i will go ahead and reply to you...First of all, I never said Chicanos were from Chicago as you can clearly see on my previous post, i stated "i doubt very much that 'Chicanos' refers to people from Chicago" in those exact words...you accuse people of being lazy, and yet you are the one who was too lazy to take the time to read my post correctly. You should at least do that, if you're going to reply to me, making accusations such as the one previously cited...I know very well how Chicago got its name (i'm referring to the stinking onions) but that's not even the issue here...as i stated in my previous post, all that i said came from qualified college professors, with the exception of my theory on the origins of Aztlán, please forgive me if I did not make it clear that my information came from college professors and not from people like you...
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Delicious D...I like your definition of Aztlán (People of the dirt). I only see one problem with it. "People of the dirt" or indijenous people are not only from Mexico, but they are all throughout the Americas...from Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaragua, Colombia, all the way down to Tierra del Fuego, and all the way up to Canada...If you are telling me that "Chicano" means "People of the dirt", then all the people from the countries previously cited are people of the dirt as well, so i guess that would make them Chicanos too, right? You see the only problem that i see with the word Chicano, is when it starts being used to refer to 2nd Generation Mexicans...because i often hear people mistakenly say that a Chicano is the child of a Mexican, who is born in the United States, and yet they refer to the child of a Colombian who is born in the United States, as Colombian, and the child of a Puerto Rican, who is born in the United States, as a Puerto Rican, etc... so they only change the word to Chicano, when dealing with Mexicans...so i feel that either we (all Latinos) are People of the dirt, or none of us are...
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ndmattopazzo...yes i know that a lot of people of Mexican descent call themselves Chicanos (like Kid Frost), but that doesn't mean that they're calling themselves something that they are...many make that mistake, just as many call themselves Hispanics (Kid Frost called himself Hispanic as well in his first album "Hispanic Causing Panic"), when they in fact are not Hispanics, they are Latinos. I agree with you on the fact that Mexican people used the word pejoratively, but mainly during the time immediately following the Mexican-American War of 1848, so i feel that it was said because of the frustrations of the effects of the War (losing more than half of the Mexican land) that Mexicans in Mexico thought that by insulting those Mexicans who were on this side of the border, they were somehow getting back at the Anglos.
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chyqo...although Tury Q originally came from El Paso, TX...He moved to San Diego, CA to pursue his musical endeavors, and it was here in San Diego, that he eventually released his single "Why Can't I Have Her"...which makes that single an official California release. He would later move back to Texas, to release his album.
 
Arturo, i know you feel that say Kid Frost uses say Hispanic and Chicano erroneously. But "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter". you may have good reasons for saying that he's mistaken, like he's not from Spain (and therefore not Hispanic), and so on, but language is pretty much what people make of it. Gypsies aren't from Egypt either, but ppl thought so and that's why they're still called Gypsies (or gitanos in spanish, from egiptianos)
 
Ndmattopazzo, although the term "Hispanic" is used by many, to refer to Latinos, that term was originally used by white people (Euro-Americans), just like the term "Chicano". That is why i don't personally use those terms myself...it would be kinda like if white people called themselves "Gringos" or "Gabachos". As far as the origin of the word "gypsie" is concerned, i don't know how it came about, but i do know that someone from Egypt is referred to as "egipsio" and not "egiptiano".
 
oye pero el orígen de la palabra gitano es "egiptiano"...
y sabes ke hay gente blanca ki dice "yo soy white trash" como hay gente negra ke dise "yo soy un n****r"...
the way ppl use words changes, ya know.
 
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