Why is music more segregated now as opposed to the 80's??

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I had to start this topic here. I saw it at another music site (not freestyle) and me and my friend were just talking about this last night. I'll just cut and paste my short response from the other board:

Funny you bring this up. I was just talking to a friend last night about just this very topic.

We were talking about how in the early 80's the music wasn't diveded as much by the media & radio. What we now call disco, hi-nrg, electro, hip hop, top 40 pop, freestyle, house etc....was one in the same in many ways. As soon as the 90's hit, boom! This is this, this is that, blah blah blah lol.

Me and my friend reflected about the old KTU. They, for example, would play C-Bank, then Duran Duran, then Hashim, then a ballad, then Run Dmc, then Lime etc...one right after the other.

Those of us who grew up in the 80's were exposed to a variety of music. The stations were so diverse. It's 2002 and hasn't gotten any better either. I wonder if it ever will....
 
It's been segragated for a long time, even into the 60's. I cant vouch for the 60's too much but in the 70's, it was "disco vs. rock" and then there was "punk".I'm not sure of the other genres back then.

In the 80's, there were plenty. there was the "top 40" crowd that would listen to anything. then there were the "new wavers" (synth-pop), the "rap" kids (throw some soul and r&b in there, too, the "reggae" lovers, the "heavy metal" burnouts, then there were the "dance" people (US).

In the 90's, "grunge" was added and lately, other genres popped up like "SKA" and & alternative. then we have the "goth" look.
 
Nice points Kenny. I guess what I was trying to say is: The genres have been broken down into sub-genres during the 90's. Freestyle isn't just freestyle (there's old, new, west, etc etc). Rock isn't just rock no more (there's old, hard, grunge, soft, etc etc). The music just keeps diving into more sub-genres.
 
lol,

hey anthony, hows u doin?

First i have to give props to kenny for taking me back....lol burnouts and rockers,lol.mopheads.
they always used to raise their cars and made thier engines louder.
we always used to lower ours and make the music louder.

rock vs disco...that war is still going on.
but they failed when they attempted to burn all those disco records in that bomb fire at the baseball game.
we are still here.

ok, back to the subject. why do things seem to break into subgenres.

its all in the marketing. everytime something new flourishes, the industry wants to hold it and needs to repackage something "new" to the audience.
people always want whats on the cutting adge.

it always has hapened.
hiphop for example has had its genres though out its years electrofunk, miami electrobass , miami booty bass, ny hiphop (east coast, wets caost. all diferent flavors from diferent regions.....but still remained one unified hiphop community and scene.

in freestyle we had so many diferent styles of freestyle though out its history. so many sides to it, but it was always freestyle.
since the mid 90's alot has happend for freestyle..but its the name that people keep changing everytime a new sound comes to play.

they used to call in the mid 90's trip hop and west coast to define the new sound that california was sporting. Angelina,lina santiago, dj juanito, jocelyne enriquez and all the noize from sanfransisco.
(by the way, if it wasnt for the west coast..rockells "in A dream" wouldnt be here today. if it wasnt for Miami popularising those miami horns, they wouldnt be found in "in A dream" from jossete to begin with).

but let alone, everyone overlooked that many of those people behind productions from the west caost were miami influenced or had strong past ties to miami. add to this that miami always had a strong break scene and lil before that (early 90's)
people like george alvarado, george acosta, and many others were strong in the breaks and trance undergound here in miami.
we had awsome records flooding the market like planet soul, nadine renee, dj boom, tores brothers, mona q etc....
nobody called it "south coast".
instead they called it trance and breaks for marketing porposes.

street beat records was the only label at that moment who was smart and really recognized that what was going on was freestyle. and jumped on that as well. the new electrofunk and freestyle.

"we did it like that, and now we do it like this...its the new style!'

its all in the marketing. its all in the people who are out there.

freestyle is really devided now by mentality.
those who worship old school and those who worship the sound and into the evolution of whats hapening now.
there are people making new records, but making them sound like old records holding the same sound from years ago..and then there are people making records now sounding like whats in style today, but sounding abstract and "weird" to those who are used to the norm.

one crowd would wear dressy clothes, todays crowd would wear tounge rings and cary glowsticks.

its still one freestyle, but 2 whole worlds apart. so when it comes to segragating, you kinda have to market things diferent to apeal diferent crowds.

thats just the way the industry is.

i think people should just leave freestyle as freestyle. recognize its subgenres, but recognize it as one entity.one genre.

but its not only marketing to diferent style, but diferent generations as well.

a 18 or 19 year old today ( regular 19 year old, not obsessed with clubfreestyle.com and freestylemusic) isnt going to be as excited to see a johnny o show, aposed to a planet soul or mona q show.

everytime a station throws a freestyle jam, they only stick to artist that were around the 89-93 period. not really to those who were before or after.

other scenes dont do that as much. they dont segregate themselves so much.rock and hiphop both love their past as their own present.freestyle is the only scene that has a dificult time doing that.
once agin, it is based on the marketing.

its the sons and doughters of those who breakdanced back in the day ,who are breaking to todays freestyle/break records and chanting to those records their parents chanted to..

same as its the sons of those who were punk rockers in the late 70s early 80's that are going to goth clubs today and still hearing some records their uncles and mothers litened to.
roots of alternative rock and ska are found back in the punk rock and alternative scene (ska roots you also have to look into jamaica music).

roots of breaks is found in the classic freestyle and electrofunk /hihop scene in the early 80's.

the music today is all 80's influenced..now the industry wants to go totaly retro 80's in fashion and so many other aspects.
but in the breaks scene, things will need to change to stay alive..so you will eventually start hearing more freestyle break remixes inn the months to come and then a large new latin boom, as the latin influence in 80's freestyle and music was as strong then as it is now, and will finally be recognized..
i wonder what they will call it "salsa breaks"????

But there are alot of production companies now, slapping break records together, finding a latina to sing over them in both english and spanglish and hoping to catch the next latin boom. cuz latin house was so yesturday. and breaks and progressive house is what is hot now in the undergound and will start rising more towrds the meainstream. the latin thing hasnt died down either, especailly with that stupid ketchup song.
its rapers delite with a spanish accent!

so you will see people just adding latin artist, with 80's influenced dance tracks, lots of breakdancing and lots of attitude.

you will see it coming out of diferent sources and diferent scenes. it wont be considered freestyle at first, but eventually it will. (just like angelina, and everyone else). it wont come from the freestyle scene or a freestyle record company.

history kind of repeats itself. thats what the industry is doing now. and they are doing it behind "the industries" back.
companies are not going to tell other competitive companies what they are doing. they only care about themselves.

see. i would leak, cuz i care about the whole scene. its one big happy family.

but yeah, its all in the marketing of new sounds. all to sell records and make the record companies lots of maney and make the artist fustrated.

that is why things are segregated into subgenres.

well, nice talking to you guys

JONPITO
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Next step/jellybeanrecordings
 
whew!! thanks for your knowledge, Jon!!! You made quite an array of great facts that im sure many of us (including me) didnt know. 🙂
 
anthony and everyone else..sorry for the spelling of some words, i am known to do like a thousand things at once.
im on the phone with london, typing some invoices so i can get paid, filing a package i have to mail out and making popcorn. and i still have time to get on this thing and talk with you guys.

peace!


Miami is always in the house!
miami breaks!
 
lol,

also...sorry for writing too much.
but the thing is that..sometime, even though i know that many of you know of the things im talking about, cuz your a dj or inside the industry, somtime i feel like im writing to lil kids.
i feel like i have to tell the history of the world.
(dont lough!)

(ANTHONY, I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT YOUR QUESTION!!!!
im talking about other post people put up.not you specificaly.dont get me wrong).i know you know what im talking about.!!

cuz sometimes i get on this site and i read some things that just FUSTRATE ME, cuz its lil things that i thought everyone knew.but alot of the people on this site are 18 - early 20s or have forgoten alot of things. or plainly, they dont know.

thats why i write like i do. just to let you know.

i know some younger kid is going to brows through and read what i write, so i wana always be as specific and detailed as i can.
thats what we are all here for, to learn, right?


( i need a drink!)

peace!
 
JONPITO, thanks for your input. You always have insightful commentary to add 🙂

Btw, I'm gonna give you a call one this week. Later....
 
I think it's all because of business. Everything has been segregated and conformed into a specific order to make the maximum profit. I saw a big difference in music after the whole bubble gum pop explosion. Labels got more and more competitve. They all wanted their own Britney Spears, their own Nsync. Any form of music outside of this pop explosion felt the blow. Even artists that were otherwise very popular got put on the back burner. No matter how talentless these acts were, they were bringing in huge profits for record labels. It seems that any new act that breaks these days is a direct duplicate of another. Labels aren't looking for talent or originality anymore. It's pitifull because everything is starting to look and sound exactly the same.
 
music today isnt as good as it was like in the 80s and 90s. Its all the same Pop, Alternative, Rap and Country basiclly. thats all it seems to be anymore. I liked the more variety like in the 90s(i.e.B96 before ghettoness) with all the different kinds of dance..freestyle,techno,hip house, hard house, etc. i dont really like any new songs that come out except for some alternative/hard rock songs
 
Everything old will be new again....all the bubble gum pop we have heard in the past five years is pretty much the same thing we heard 15 years ago with Debbie Gibson, Tiffany, and the NKOTB...so freestyle will get its turn...eventually.
 
the music from the 80's and early 90's(till bout '96) was good...real good...but everything today, well not everything because some artists out there still do good music or try to, but most of it is really bad...i very rarely listen to the radio..i mean rarely...i mean just look at the billboard hot 100....freestyle music has so much more potential than the stuff on that.....i bet you if money was not the issue freestyle would definetely be one strong force on radio!!!!
 
it's all marketing & money...
the easiest way to try & get something to catch on again.. or keep it going... change the name... tweek the beats..etc.. & repackage to a diff audience.. it's all about the $$$$...
Same reason why radio here in NY stinks.. $
:blah
 
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