What The Heck Is "progressive" Freestyle????

[Eluder]

What is Freestyle? It's not always about the beat my friend, it's more about the lyrics, and if you listen to the new style, you'll see it's true to the roots, it's about love, that's generally what Freestyle is about, not always the beat... You have to look past that.

Eluder, it's great for you that you like the new "Freestyle". But I never think it should be considered equal with the REAL Freestyle/Latin Hiphop/Heartthrob..

Once again you need to open your eyes, there are two artists in the Canadian forum, Elissa and Dimi, both great artists IMHO, it isn't very nice to call their work trash, you don't like it, that's fine, but be a little kinder to your fellow human beings.

Uhhhh??? Hmmm...Yea sure, who are you thinking of?
Jack G or Johnny B?
I've already had this discussion a couple of times with Johnny B. I wouldn't call him a "Progressive Freestyler" although he spinns it in his shows. I'm sure neither Jack or Johnny gets offended by my opinions on progressive aka tripstyle aka falsestyle music.

Actually, a couple of them are still around to my knowledge, I'm pretty sure DJ Bobo still does a couple of euro songs here and there... Also, 2 brothers are just under a new name now, they did some great new tracks. Open your eyes my friend!

Also the former euroartists I mentioned doesn't exist anymore, atleast not as euroartists (no wonder)

 

[Alex]

Please...

First of all, why did you post the same post twice, with almost an hour between???You messing up the board. It doesn't make any sense... Anyway...

If I would look past the beat. 99% of ALL the songs in the world could be considered Freestyle...

it's about love, that's generally what Freestyle is about, not always the beat... You have to look past that.

Looking past the beat in Freestyle is like looking past the pasta in an italian kitchen.

Once again you need to open your eyes, there are two artists in the Canadian forum, Elissa and Dimi, both great artists IMHO, it isn't very nice to call their work trash, you don't like it, that's fine, but be a little kinder to your fellow human beings.

First of all, Elissa knows my opinion, I have discussed this on this board twice with her before, I'm sure she doesn't take my opinions about music too personally.
Second of all, I haven't attacked these two artists you mentioned above in any of my previous posts in this thread, so there's no need to mention them as victims of my Musical Point of view.

I'm pretty sure DJ Bobo still does a couple of euro songs here and there... Also, 2 brothers are just under a new name now, they did some great new tracks. Open your eyes my friend!

That's two artists/groups of the fourteen I mentioned..

And how can you "be sure" that DJ Bobo still does a couple of Euro songs "here and there"... Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't, who knows and cares.. The last I heard from that guy was in 94-95, when Euro was as most popular, then he just disappeared as the rest of those artists. I don't know why this guy would stay with doing Euro, I don't think any of the Euroartists had a "Burning Heart" for Euromusic, probably they made the Euromusic when it was at it's peak in popularity, just to make a quick buck in the musicbiz.

Let's get this over with, I'm just sad that some smuck came up with the idea to try to ruin the beauty with Freestyle by adding Eurodisco elements to this wonderful music.. The people who made it put together two musical styles that won't fit, how much they try...They just wanted it to sound as commercial as possible.
You need to call this something else cause it sure ain't Freestyle...

In any case, Progressive FreeStyle is mostly fast-paced dance music trying to pass itself off as real FreeStyle. That's the way I see it.

Progressive FreeStyle is just a term some people, including myself, use so as to know what type of so-called FreeStyle to avoid.

I couldn't agree more with you Fernando.

 

[Eluder]

Re: Please...

Reason is the server for ClubFreestyle went screwy at that time, when I returned half an hour later (or so), my post was not visible, so I reposted it, not my fault. Nice try to attack me on that, you've got big kahunas to do that... LOL

First of all, why did you post the same post twice, with almost an hour between???You messing up the board. It doesn't make any sense... Anyway...

But the point is that Freestyle is always about love and the beat is important, but I said sometimes you have to look past it... as I've said many times, you're closed minded. BTW, pasta isn't really Italian, neither is Pizza... 😀

If I would look past the beat. 99% of ALL the songs in the world could be considered Freestyle...
Looking past the beat in Freestyle is like looking past the pasta in an italian kitchen.

I didn't say you attacked them specifically, I just said which progressive artists are on ClubFreestyle.

First of all, Elissa knows my opinion, I have discussed this on this board twice with her before, I'm sure she doesn't take my opinions about music too personally.
Second of all, I haven't attacked these two artists you mentioned above in any of my previous posts in this thread, so there's no need to mention them as victims of my Musical Point of view.

So are you trashing Euro now? You know, there's no point in arguing, you are stuck in the past and won't open your mind to other forms of Freestyle, it's fine, just make sure you don't insult anyone that likes or performs this type of music.

Let's get this over with, I'm just sad that some smuck came up with the idea to try to ruin the beauty with Freestyle by adding Eurodisco elements to this wonderful music.. The people who made it put together two musical styles that won't fit, how much they try...They just wanted it to sound as commercial as possible.
You need to call this something else cause it sure ain't Freestyle...

 

[XBklynNyCGyrlX]

what about gigi d'gostino's ill fly with you..?
thats a failry catchy hot song..so cathy i cant stop singing i....
is that consdered progressive, or whatever..or at least considered?🙄 labels labels LABELS blahhhh
lol😀

 

[Alex]

XBklynNyCGyrlX...

You started all this, so don't even go there. You wanted an explanation and you got an explanation, ok?

Eluder, I just thought it was weird that you posted the same message twice, it doesn't look good. That's all, It wasn't meant as an attack.

So are you trashing Euro now?

I've always trashed Euro 😀..

And NO, I'm not closed minded when it comes to music...I am a DJ... But when it comes to anything that has to do with Eurodance... I have my strong opinion.

You can like it if you want of course, but I hate to see it get mixxed up with the Original Freestyle/Latin Hiphop.

We better stop this now, cause it ain't gonna go nowhere, you have your opinion and I have mine.

 

[MtlMangas]

Progressive Freestyle is trash.

I think Freestyle is progressing in the wrong way it's becoming techno and that's not what Freestyle is it's the oposite.
If Freestyle keeps going that way then verry soon we will see that Freestyle will die completely.
Freestyle is Latin and it should stay that way.

 

[Eluder]

Re: XBklynNyCGyrlX...

Well, the way it was written looked like an attack to me, but nevemind that. What ya mean I started all this? I was just trying to defend music that I think is good, and trying to say that it's not nice to trash it all.

You started all this, so don't even go there. You wanted an explanation and you got an explanation, ok?

Eluder, I just thought it was weird that you posted the same message twice, it doesn't look good. That's all, It wasn't meant as an attack.

Well, my guess is you would fail as a DJ in Toronto with that attitude, the euro/dance scene here is huge in the clubs.
I agree on just ending it, we're not gonna get anywhere w/this, you have your view, and I have mine... Case closed.

I've always trashed Euro 😀..

And NO, I'm not closed minded when it comes to music...I am a DJ... But when it comes to anything that has to do with Eurodance... I have my strong opinion.

You can like it if you want of course, but I hate to see it get mixxed up with the Original Freestyle/Latin Hiphop.

We better stop this now, cause it ain't gonna go nowhere, you have your opinion and I have mine.

 

[Eluder]

Re: Progressive Freestyle is trash.

That's your opinion too, but to be honest, if Freestyle stayed Latin, I wouldn't have touched it. To say it kindly, I'm not a fan of Latin music at all. 😀 I'm not saying I dislike classic Freestyle, but you know.

I think Freestyle is progressing in the wrong way it's becoming techno and that's not what Freestyle is it's the oposite.
If Freestyle keeps going that way then verry soon we will see that Freestyle will die completely.
Freestyle is Latin and it should stay that way.

 

[Alex]

Ok ok, read the Headline in my previous post

If you read my headliner Eluder, you will see that my first sentences wasn't mean for you, but for XBklynNyCGyrlX...

She's complainin about labelin music and bla bla bla..But she was the one that started this thread and asked for an explanation what progressive Freestyle is..

That's your opinion too, but to be honest, if Freestyle stayed Latin, I wouldn't have touched it

Enough said...

 

[Jason]

Re: Progressive Freestyle is trash.

I think Freestyle is progressing in the wrong way it's becoming techno and that's not what Freestyle is it's the oposite.
If Freestyle keeps going that way then verry soon we will see that Freestyle will die completely.
Freestyle is Latin and it should stay that way.

Old School Freestyle had it's Techno moments:
Time After TIme - Timmy T
Diamond Girl - Nice & Wild
Connie, Trinere, and Debbie Deb
Shannon <-- Even in 1994, Freestyle had technoey, spacy sounds.

And Old School Freestyle was not always Latin-sounding:
(Too many examples to list here.)

House, Disco, Pop, Alternative, and even Hip Hop, like Timberland, are utilizing techno and trance sounds. Why leave Freestyle out in the dust??? Progressive sounds give Freestyle more potential for success, and that's the TRUTH.

I like my stuff, you guys like yours. Both styles have a large share of hits and crap. Alex and others, you shouldn't make a generalization that all Prgoressive is crap, because I've heard the crap and we're probably thinking about the same songs. But you have to agree with me that there are a few good ones out there. I think you just have to be exposed to more of it.

And guess what? Euro (although looped a lot) usually sounds like it was better-produced than Freestyle. The instruments are brighter, the mixdown is more balanced, and the singers can sing better. And some of you guys don't want Freestyle to be up to Euro standards? But, that would be the best way to go.

 

[XBklynNyCGyrlX]

alex..
no need to get all snippy now...
my god u people would think u are te actual artist..damn sooo touhy some of u..sheesh
ANYHOW
I see freestyle as FRESTYLE, not all these so called labels...and yes did get an answer..butte snippiness..wow alex lets not get in a huff over nothing...u act like i shot someone..its just a post
reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelaxxxxxxx and treat it as such🙄
as for the other explainations i have gotten..thank you for clearing it up....
😉

 

[Alex]

Awright...

Alex and others, you shouldn't make a generalization that all Prgoressive is crap

I never made that generalization Jason... If you read my older posts again you will see... I too think that there are a couple of good "progressive" songs out there..

Euro (although looped a lot) usually sounds like it was better-produced than Freestyle. The instruments are brighter, the mixdown is more balanced, and the singers can sing better.

Now what you are saying here, is that you like Euro more than Freestyle.

First of all you say that the production is better.. That includes everything from the sounds, the patterns, the drums, melodies, basslines, and vocals.. And you clearly say that you think Euro was better produced.

This has alot to do with what Freestyle you comparing with.. I mean you can't compare Freestyle in 1987 to Euro in 1995. In 1987 the Freestyleproducers hadn't the access to the studiotechnology the Euro producers had 1995.. Alot happened between 8 Years.
Of course the Eurosongs will have a clearer and brighter sound since the studioequipment had evolved alot... And if you are listening to the BIG Freestyleartists songs like Stevie B, Exposé, George LaMond, etc.. You will hear that their's songs are very well mixxed and produced.

But the underground releases didn't had the money to pay for a big studio nor the big names in Studio engineering, mastering etc etc.

And this is a big part of the beauty in the old underground Freestyle, the Rawness of the sound, The Rough Mixxdown, the Hardpounding beats and basslines.. Not always great mixxing, but I sure Feel the old Freestyle more than the new stuff being released.


The Mixxdown has nothing to do with the Music itself.. For example, I think Heartbrake - I Never Stop Loving You, Is a thousand times better song than any "well" mixed Eurosong out there.. Even though Heartbrake had a pretty bad mixxing.

And you say that you think the Euroartists sang better than the Freestyle artists, hmmm...You know you can do wonders in a studio. There have been alot of crappy Freestyle singers, but since this is the music I love..I love alot of those Crappy vocalists songs.. But I can sure tell you that there were alot of Crappy Eurosingers too..

Old School Freestyle had it's Techno moments:
Time After TIme - Timmy T
Diamond Girl - Nice & Wild
Connie, Trinere, and Debbie Deb
Shannon <-- Even in 1994, Freestyle had technoey, spacy sounds.

Yes, These songs were inspired by that times electronical sound, I wouldn't call it Techno.. More Electro. But you can't compare it to the Progressivestyle today, since the sound that's being used today are alot different than the 80's "Techno Sound".. Let's say, if you listen to Cybotron - Clear, or Alexander Robotnick - "Problemes D'Amour".. And compare it to the Techno Today, Like Carl Cox, SVEK etc etc. There will be a MAJOR different from sounds to the pace, the patterns and melodies.

 

[Alex]

To You Girl From Brooklyn

XBklynNyCGyrlX, here's the first response I gave you about Progressive Freestyle..

Progressive Freestyle is a hybrid between trance, euro and Freestyle..

I don't think there was any "snippiness" about that, I just tried to explain to you... Or do you need an explanation what trance and Euro is too?
Again, if put these three musical styles together and speed it up, add a planet rock drum, and cheesy vocals you will have...

Prrrroooggggreeeessssiiiivvveeee freeeeeessssttttyyyylleee

 

[Fernando]

Amen

Alex,

Amen to what you posted in response to your critics and TripStyle counterparts.

- Fernando Benitez from San Diego, CA -

😉

 

[Alex]

thank you

Thanks Fernando..

I forgot to mention, I also like Spanish Fly - Running (Out Of Reasons).. A Freestylesong with An Acid Bassline.. But it's a good song with an oldschool feeling to it..

Judy Torres - Holding On, is also a good "progressive" song..

 

[Jason]

Re: Awright...

Alex, I admire your dilegence.

I never made that generalization Jason... If you read my older posts again you will see... I too think that there are a couple of good "progressive" songs out there..

"A couple good songs" out of hundreds still means you're making a generalization. You don't need be 100% inclusive to make a generaliztion. You can be 99% inclusive, such as stereotypes are.

...you can't compare Freestyle in 1987 to Euro in 1995. In 1987 the Freestyleproducers hadn't the access to the studiotechnology the Euro producers had 1995.. Alot happened between 8 Years.
Of course the Eurosongs will have a clearer and brighter sound since the studioequipment had evolved alot... And if you are listening to the BIG Freestyleartists songs like Stevie B, Exposé, George LaMond, etc.. You will hear that their's songs are very well mixxed and produced.

But the underground releases didn't had the money to pay for a big studio nor the big names in Studio engineering, mastering etc etc....And you say that you think the Euroartists sang better than the Freestyle artists, hmmm...You know you can do wonders in a studio. There have been alot of crappy Freestyle singers, but since this is the music I love..I love alot of those Crappy vocalists songs.. But I can sure tell you that there were alot of Crappy Eurosingers too..

I'm comparing two styles of Freestyle in the 90's. Both New School. Of course, Expose, etc. had good production back then. There's no disputing that. Too many New School Freestyle had bad production. There's no disputing that either. I have 30 Euro CDs from 1995 to the present and ALL have nice production and good voices, at least the non-instumental ones. I have 50 New School Freestyle CDs and I can't say the same. You think Euro artist have bigger budgets. Many of them are relative unknowns also, compared to Pop, Hip Hop, and R&B artists.

But you can't compare it to the Progressivestyle today, since the sound that's being used today are alot different than the 80's "Techno Sound

"Time After Time" by Timmy T "boings" as much as the new Progressive stuff. "Take Me In Your Arms" used a Planet Rock loop.

Electrohop was the cutting edge sound back then. Freestyle borrowed from that. Are there any new Electrohop songs being created? No. It's old news. Just like the Old School sound of Freestyle is outdated.

Trance is the cutting edge sound right now. Freestyle is borrowing from that now. More Freestyle songs should do the same. At least make one or two remixes that have Progressive sound. It will give them a better potential for success.

And lastly...
I like Freestyle better than Euro!!!

 

[XBklynNyCGyrlX]

and the drama continues......🙄

 

[Infinit1]

All I know is that when I hear real FREESTYLE music it makes me feel a whole lot different than whatever ALEX is talking about...

If every genre in music sounds like Freestyle to you once you ignore the beat then why are there so many different titles in music. Every genre has love lyrics, even RAP...

What my understanding of Freestyle is the combination of a good rythym & a beat on a 4/4 scale which travels between 120 & 126 bpms...

If you would have mentioned it this way then I would agree with you...

If you think not then why is there such genres as R&B, Funk, Disco, Rock, Heavy Metal, Pogressive, Gothic, Archaic, Rap, Crap, Junk, Drum n' Bass, Blues, Jazz, skin head, industrial, Blue Men from Intel commercials, Salsa, Merengue, Mambo, guaguanco, Tango, Bassanova, March, etc...

You are saying that if they contained love lyrics then all of this is freestyle minus the beat???

 

[Alex]

I woudn't call this drama... Just a little discussion about music..

Infinit1, don't take what I said about that word by word.
I just wanted to point out that the Beat in Freestyle is very essential, and can't be overlooked, ok?

Yea, you could make a Freestylejam out of hell of a lot of songs if you added a faster drum and some sounds.. Alot of Slowjams could make a good Freestylesong. Especially 80's slowjams.

But of course not Gothic and industrial 🙂

 

[lex]

well my whole outlook on "progressive" freestyle is that it's "freestyle" that's evovled into what is the "norm" in todays' dance music. what we forget is that "freestyle" was considered club music, dance music, pop music, and top 40 music. in the early years. but however there are "progrssive" tracks that honestly are WACk, but that also goes with these tracks that try to stick with a purely old skool traditional sound......to everyone the whole ol skool scene is OVER!!!!! it's time to move on! well here's my list of favorite "progressive" records:

rockell-i fell in love
k5-passion
jocelyn enriquez-do u miss me/a lil bit of xtc
planet soul-set u free
angelina-release me/i dont need ur luv/w-o ur luv
rhythm 544-where did your love go
dj boom ft. nadine renee-to the top
corina - summertime summertime (dj edit & berrios 98 remix)
haus-a-holics-la sopa, computer power
cynthia- if i had the chance
tora-seductive love
tia-slip n slide
lil suzy-runaway
mila marcil-whole lotta love
m:g-sweet honesty
damia-with all my love