What The Heck Is "progressive" Freestyle????

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Progressive Freestyle is Freestyle. Progressive artists and producers and many fans are calling the music Freestyle. Although there are some "true" fans who will dismiss any of the Freestyle with new elements as being real Freestyle.

How many Progressive tracks have been released lately and played on the radio? Now, how many new classic-style tracks have been released and played on the radio? I'm a big fan of both styles, but since Progressive is the only style that's being offered now, it's the only form that Freestyle can live on.

BBOY3000 had a good listing of songs. I could add about 40 more to that list that are good. I know that the MAJORITY of PROGRESSIVE Freestyle SUCKS. But then again, the MAJORITY of new CLASSIC-style Freestyle SUCKS major CHeeSe too. 😉
 
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Rhythmfactor, call it what you want it will never be Freestyle though.

And Eluder, that's the thing..You were a Eurodance fan before, and probably you still are..Its not strange you like the new "Freestyle" thats coming out since it sounds like Eurotrash oops I mean dance, but with the original Planetrock drum instead of a 4/4 Technodrum.. Oh yeah, the original "Bailando" song was done by a girl from Spain called "Paradisio" You might check it out since you like Elissa's version.

Jason, I don't dismiss all new "Freestyle" just cause they have new elements in it, but they're better not have the elements I have listed below.

I consider George LaMond - Lately, as a real Freestylesong and Cynthia - If I Had The Chance etc.

Rocky, I will buy it too if I like the song, but in the Progressive style you will in 9 times outta ten have these factors involved in the production:

1. Acid Basslines

2. EuroCheesy Melodies and sounds

3. Way too happy/chessy vocals and melodies, not the emotional and dramatic vocals the oldschool has, and that makes the oldschool superior over the Cheeseschool.

4. A poor production overall, alot of songs sounds like they were made in 20 minutes on a $20 computerprogram. simple chords, simple and very few melodies, a planetrockloop, and a very boring and annoying bassline as an extra addition the producers are laying a very ugly and annoying vocodereffect over the singers voice (for example, Free System - This Love Is Not Right For You).
This effect is often used by Producers when the vocalist can't hit the tones clean and right. And now they are exaggerating this effect thinking it might sound cool and hip, Cher was the first one out with "Do You Believe" When I heard it I thought What the f*ck, sounded awful.

Damn, if I would play these kind of Cheesy Falsestyle songs out in the clubs, people here in Sweden would laugh at me. And then I would never get a gig again,
maybe on my 8 year old stepsisters birthday party if I'm lucky, she would probably like it cause she listens to A-Teens n shit and that pretty much sounds like the EuroCheesyStyle, but with the 4/4 Drum on dusty old ABBA songs, with immature vocals.
 
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Alex said:
...the Progressive style you will in 9 times outta ten have these factors involved in the production...
3. Way too happy/chessy vocals and melodies, not the emotional and dramatic vocals the oldschool has, and that makes the oldschool superior over the Cheeseschool.

4. A poor production overall, alot of songs sounds like they were made in 20 minutes on a $20 computerprogram. simple chords, simple and very few melodies, a planetrockloop, and a very boring and annoying bassline as an extra addition the producers are laying a very ugly and annoying vocodereffect over the singers voice...
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3. I think the emotion and drama of the Old School Freestyle lyrics were cheesy. Remember the post about cheesy lines? All of the responses were from Old School lyrics. But that old school cheese is all good anyway.

I also think that using old school style melodies are less creative. It's the year 2001, and the majority of the new school songs with the old-school style are still using the same chord progressions as "Give Me Tonight" by Shannon (1984) and "Highways of Love" by Johnny O (1988).

4. I've heard COUNTLESS NON-Progressive, Old-School style songs with very cheap productions. Meanwhile, some Progressive songs have awesome and complex productions, eg. "Back For My Love".

And there aren't too many Progressive songs with a vocoder effect. Even though the vocoder is an OLD SCHOOL effect, eg. "If You Leave Me Now" by Jaya was very nice. And I give mad props to the one used in "One And One" by Sharyn Maceren for that Old School ElectroBass feel.
 
Alex from Sweden is totally right. I can't believe that niggaz in Europe know whats up. Alex knows more about real freestyle than many people in the United States. That's why freestyle is dead (cuz many of the fans don't understand the true roots). Freestyle is a latin based sub-genre of hip hop. It has nothing to do with euro. It's so obvious how cheezy and wack euro elements are if people in Europe are even dissin it.
 
Imma Break it down for ya

Jason.
Yes, alot of the oldschool songs were cheesy..but they were not cheesy-cheesy-cheesy if you know what I mean.
Thats the thing that always been unique for Freestyle (until now) the mixture between the Hard Beats and the emotional, dramatic, and sometimes cheesy vocals. But nowadays, everything is pure cheese, do you get what I'm saying??? The beats are cheesy, the melodies are cheesy, AND the vocals..That's cheese til you drown man, I can't take it.. Maybe I would have liked it if I was 10 years old...
4. I've heard COUNTLESS NON-Progressive, Old-School style songs with very cheap productions. Meanwhile, some Progressive songs have awesome and complex productions, eg. "Back For My Love".
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True, but most of these cheap Old-school Freestylesongs atleast had something special, something charmy about them.
Which I absolutely can't say about the cheap "Freestyle" Productions of today.
And yea, I liked "Back For My Love" too, It's a nice example of a good Newschool Freestyle song, one of the few new Freestyle songs that the producers didn't seemed to have a one-hour deadline to finish the track on a Cheap sharewareprogram. alot of credit to Stephanie Bennet also for the nice vocals too. I don't know what they did to hear but she actually sounded like a singer on that song LOL which I can't really say about her earlier songs.



One more thing, I LOVE A FAT VOCODER, there's almost nothing better. I'm a HUGE fan of oldschool electro, and I like some of the newschool electro too. I was an electrofan before I was a Freestylefan..

BUT... You gotta separate the vocoder EFFECT I was reffering to in my previous posts, and the original vocoder.

This vocoder effect, (I can't remember it's name dammit) As I told you earlier is like a "layer" on the vocalists voice, the producer is using on singers that can't hit certain notes etc. It sounds disgusting.

Now if you listen to Eiffel 65, Cher - "Do You Believe", Freesystem - This Love is not Right For You, even Adam Marano has used it in Collage - Boyfriend/Girlfriend, but that's not a surprise cause Adam Marano has been very Euro inspired in his productions lately.

Please DO NOT confuse it with the real vocoder thats being used in "If You Leave Me Now" by Jaya, or for example in ZAPP's songs or in Debbie Deb - "When I Hear Music" "Lookout weekend" Hashim - "al naafiysh (the soul), Freestyle - "Don't Stop the Rock", most of Egyptian Lover's songs etc etc.. That's a REAL vocoder being used, it hasn't the purpose of trying to make the singer sounding like he or she is not tonedef. It was just supposed to sound like a straight up phat Robot.

Alex from Sweden is totally right. I can't believe that niggaz in Europe know whats up. Alex knows more about real freestyle than many people in the United States. That's why freestyle is dead (cuz many of the fans don't understand the true roots). Freestyle is a latin based sub-genre of hip hop. It has nothing to do with euro. It's so obvious how cheezy and wack euro elements are if people in Europe are even dissin it.
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Freestyle is a latin based sub-genre of hip hop. It has nothing to do with euro.
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Thank You FreestyleHNIC, and especially the last quoted part was very well written I think.
 
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if that is the direction FREESTYLE is heading towards, i really dont mind. as least they are attempting to put a new flavor or twist to thier style.
 
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Well Kenny, that's exactly what the producers don't seem to care about, Adding a New Flavor or Twist to the Style...
Instead they take the old and I was hoping Forgotten Eurosound, I thought producers nowadays couldn't be taken seriously if they used the Eurotrash sound in their productions. But people in Canada seem to get off to that sound.

I was hoping it had been thrown in the trashcan along time ago, along with artists like
Jam and Spoon, Maxx, Flexx, Whigfield, 2 Unlimited, DJ Bobo, Culture Beat, Haddaway, Melodie MC, Capella, Basic Element, Corona, Magic Affair, 2 Brothers on the Fourth Floor etc etc.

There's two Eurosongs that stands out from the rest,
Captain Hollywood Project - More and More, I always thought this song had a nice Freestylefeeling to it. Atleast thats how I remember it, It was a hella long time ago I heard it.

And of course Snap - Rhythm Is A Dancer, A pure Classic.


I would love to hear the SBP CD, I heard it's a nice album where the producers has managed well to blend the oldstyle with a new flavor. I don't know where to get it though 🙁
 
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I remember that version now that you mentioned it, and I didn't like it... 🙂 You guys are harsh, cause the new progressive style is good, it's a new breed of freestyle. All music has changed over the years, and I enjoy this new kind of freestyle, not saying i don't like the old school, but I enjoy the new stuff as well. All you guys are entitled to your opinions, however, you can't be trashing the artists of today, I don't see you guys doing anything except complaining, you don't have to listen to the new stuff. So I guess the best thing is for you guys to just keep quiet about the new stuff. Don't forget, some of the progressive freestylers roam this community known as ClubFreestyle, it wouldn't be very nice to offend these people...

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And Eluder, that's the thing..You were a Eurodance fan before, and probably you still are..Its not strange you like the new "Freestyle" thats coming out since it sounds like Eurotrash oops I mean dance, but with the original Planetrock drum instead of a 4/4 Technodrum.. Oh yeah, the original "Bailando" song was done by a girl from Spain called "Paradisio" You might check it out since you like Elissa's version.
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You guys are truly horribly rude, quite a few of those artists you mentioned are great and you think they should be trashed?! Secondly, you are saying that Canadians don't have good taste when it comes to Freestyle? Sheesh, to be honest, there is no reason in me arguing, you guys are old fashioned and closed minded, there are all types of Freestyle out there, and there may be things you don't like, but it doesn't give you the right to "trash" artists.

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Well Kenny, that's exactly what the producers don't seem to care about, Adding a New Flavor or Twist to the Style...
Instead they take the old and I was hoping Forgotten Eurosound, I thought producers nowadays couldn't be taken seriously if they used the Eurotrash sound in their productions. But people in Canada seem to get off to that sound.

I was hoping it had been thrown in the trashcan along time ago, along with artists like
Jam and Spoon, Maxx, Flexx, Whigfield, 2 Unlimited, DJ Bobo, Culture Beat, Haddaway, Melodie MC, Capella, Basic Element, Corona, Magic Affair, 2 Brothers on the Fourth Floor etc etc.
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Real FreeStyle

Progressive FreeStyle should be called TripStyle. I don't want anyone to believe that this inferior form of dance music should be considered part of the true FreeStyle genre.

The fact that Progressive FreeStyle gets radio play is not reason enough to embrace it. Hell, Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera get radio play, but you won't see me running out to buy their music because of it. If FreeStyle never again gets radio play, I will still continue to buy it, as long as it stays true to its roots: Latin rhythms, hard beats, and pretty chord progressions--all without the Euro elements, Planet Rock loops, and annoying acid basslines. As long as others like me are still around, the Progressive crap will never succeed in duping the real FreeStyle aficionados. 😉

- Fernando Benitez from San Diego, CA -
 
Examples of good Tripstyle lately (released as singles):

Lately (heehee)
Back For My Love
Jay & Jane
Back To Me
Never Gonna Let You Go
There Goes Your Heart
My Imagination
Summer Jam
When I Get Close To You
One And One
I Must Go On
Until Tomorrow
Give Me All Your Love
Boogie Your Body

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Examples of good classic-sounding Freeestyle lately (released as singles):

Justify
Touch Me
and......????

That's what I'm talkin' about!!!

(Off the top of my head. No disrespect to artists I forgot.)
 
There's only 2 things I really like about Britney...





...the one on the left and the one on the right. 😀

Anyway, I respect that she has probably the best dance routines out of anybody. And I appreciate good hip hop dancing. Not to mention her songs are catchy. And they're real... Her boobs, not her songs. She's young and she just spurted all of a sudden. (Did I say "spurted"?) And listen to Marisol on Parade 2K1... She sounds almost like Britney! So I'm a Britney fan, sue me!!

Laterz...
 
ALEX

Wow! what a battle!

Lets say we handle this in a CELEBRITY DEATH MATCH...

All I know is that true Freestyle is from Spanish Harlem and sung mostly by Spanish people. I will never succomb to that EURO-GARBAGE that some of you are saying it's true FREESTYLE.

The Cheese ball Euro-trash artists of today can't ever compare & much less fool me...

"Love me or Hate me I don't care"
 
Oh please...

Eluder, it's great for you that you like the new "Freestyle". But I never think it should be considered equal with the REAL Freestyle/Latin Hiphop/Heartthrob..

Don't forget, some of the progressive freestylers roam this community known as ClubFreestyle, it wouldn't be very nice to offend these people...
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Uhhhh??? Hmmm...Yea sure, who are you thinking of?
Jack G or Johnny B?
I've already had this discussion a couple of times with Johnny B. I wouldn't call him a "Progressive Freestyler" although he spinns it in his shows. I'm sure neither Jack or Johnny gets offended by my opinions on progressive aka tripstyle aka falsestyle music.

Also the former euroartists I mentioned doesn't exist anymore, atleast not as euroartists (no wonder)

And if anyone is taking what I'm saying personal, that wasn't my intention, maybe I sounded a little harsch...But people shouldn't be taking it personal.

cause the new progressive style is good, it's a new breed of freestyle
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I would rather say it's a bastard hailing partially from Freestyle.
 
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Alex said:
...progressive aka tripstyle aka falsestyle music.

I would rather say it's a bastard hailing partially from Freestyle.
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Alex,

That is some of the funniest stuff I've ever seen you post. I truly enjoyed reading those descriptions. 😀

Keep it up.

- Fernando Benitez from San Diego, CA -
 
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What is Freestyle? It's not always about the beat my friend, it's more about the lyrics, and if you listen to the new style, you'll see it's true to the roots, it's about love, that's generally what Freestyle is about, not always the beat... You have to look past that.
Alex said:
Eluder, it's great for you that you like the new "Freestyle". But I never think it should be considered equal with the REAL Freestyle/Latin Hiphop/Heartthrob..
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Once again you need to open your eyes, there are two artists in the Canadian forum, Elissa and Dimi, both great artists IMHO, it isn't very nice to call their work trash, you don't like it, that's fine, but be a little kind to your fellow human being.
Uhhhh??? Hmmm...Yea sure, who are you thinking of?
Jack G or Johnny B?
I've already had this discussion a couple of times with Johnny B. I wouldn't call him a "Progressive Freestyler" although he spinns it in his shows. I'm sure neither Jack or Johnny gets offended by my opinions on progressive aka tripstyle aka falsestyle music.
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Actually, a few of them are still around to my knowledge, I'm pretty sure DJ Bobo still does a couple of euro songs here and there... 2 brothers are just under a new name, but they're still around, they were doing some good tracks. Open your eyes my friend!
Also the former euroartists I mentioned doesn't exist anymore, atleast not as euroartists (no wonder)
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