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Taking away from the music, what is freestyle?

I wonder if Freestyle has a culture. What do you all think.

Think about it, Jazz has a culture, hip-hop (not rap) is a culture intertwined with music and dance and art. Aside from pop music, the origins of certain styles has a culture.


Should freestyle define a culture for it to be in the forefront again?

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FREESTYLE is a culture.
mainly still dubed as freestyle music and a latinhiphop culture...still due to the respect of how all this began.

It began as a wave of musical experimantation that rose out of the hiphop movement of the early 80's and clashed with the dance wave from rock bands turned disco that was coming from Europe.
punk, new wave, funk, r&b, salsa, jazz all played a role in the devolopment of the sound, melodies and even lyrics of what would later be known as freestyle dance music.

this then clashed with latin urban culture/ the latino presence and cultural influence inthe way of talk, dress, walk etc in club and street culture (from the mid 70's to early 80's)...and all this was infused into the music, even by those who were not of latin culture. For many years latin second generation culture would clash and many times over lap with dj, club, street, art cultures that have already existed the previous decade. But more importantly the freestyle culture reflected the second generation participation and contributions to those cultures,even american pop mainstream culture.

The freestyle culture was that of a latin one, but hard to pigeon hole. latinfreestyle or latin hiphop culture was an american culture. Hispanic kids growing up in major cities of the U.s (miami, new york, l.a. etc). The language was always english and spanglish first.
Too modern for traditional latin culture..to exotic and not mainstream compared to the already established "american" culture.

And Due to all this..it was expressed in our art, which was also graph culture. it was expressed in our dancing, wich was also a mix from everything to webo dancing to break dancing poping and locking (crazy legs and the mojority of most breakers in new york were also prodominantly boriqua or hispanic or were enough around it to know and recorgnize). It was expresed in the music, wich was dance music (club) and street music (rap) hiphop (just as it continues to do so today). It was expressed in our cars ,Lowriders.
Freestyle had alot to do with the early 80's hiphop movement and people tend to forget that hiphop wasnt only rap music. it was many cultures and ethnicities clashing and intertwined.

freestyle in all its forms was our ballads, was our dance music, was our club music, was our street music. it was the voice for all things that were culturaly freestyle.

it was in due time that all forms, especially through the music lines, would evolve on thier own and in the hands of a industry...segregated and marketed to specific crowds..in years alienating scenes from each other and misleading diferent scenes on how they were really connected.

Although Freestyle culture is prodominantly a Latin one, it is not fair for all freestyle people and lovers to accept to easely as NOT ALL WITHIN THE CULTURE WERE LATIN (Hispanics).
from the fashions to the slang, to the food that was eaten..they all over laped and was shared with other cultures.

Although not hispanics, italian americans from new york have been a part of this since day one . many helped open the doors, and shared the latin identity as well. many also came from mixed backgrounds (like most of us do) and related to what was going on in the club and street at diferent time periods the many waves would flourish themselves.

just like jazz was an african american art form and was mostly surounded by the african american experiences and daily life..all the way from the rice fields of luisiana.. to the opera houses in new orleans......it all came together from a mixture of all kinds of diferent forms of art and culture....a lil europeanlatin (through french influences) a lil u.s. military from the armed forces settling there, the black church was added in there also.

I can even jump ffrwd to Rock n roll and the culture the rock n roll the 50's had. how it was mostly a black form of music out of a basment of a church and was mixed with the clash of white country music and african american blues.

but like jazz and rock n roll.... in time and through the industry it lost its main culture. bythe time it became pop or mainstream recognized.. it was already seen as a whole diferent culture.

Freestyle culture , unlike hiphop, didnt really rely on race, but ethnicity and the recognition of that ethnicity. for the same reason the latinhiophop movement of artist in the early to mid 80's was very important to so many. IT FURTHER DEVELOPED THE FREESTYLE SOUND AND CREATED ITS OWN MUSIC INDUSTRY. IT CREATED AN ESTABLISHED DANCE MUSIC INDUSTRY THAT COVERED RADIO, TV, magazines ETC AT A TIME WHEN LATINOS AND THE DANCE MUSIC COMMUNITY (both u.s and European) HAD NOTHING AT A TIME WHEN WE WERE STILL BATTLEING THE "DISCO SUCKS" MOVEMENT.
people have forgoten that.
the movement's cultural ways of dress, talk, and musical influences spilled over in all forms and created demand and started influnceing Hi nrg,R&B to rap records with a latinisms.
allof a suden being latin or from the carabean was a craze in the early to mid 80's..
It was the sound and movement that would pave the way for the sound and artist like Gloria estefan.


since back then, through freestyle history, the irony is that freestyle first conceptions were that of african american influences through electro funk overlaping to the later R&B dance from the early 80's. most of these artist were over looked (still are) or continued to the R&B lines, forgeting about the freestyle sound.
freestyle had a large african american following as well.
It is ironic how that following and its culture clash with the Hispanic urban influnences was so vocal and so abvious, that by the mid 90's what was left of that traditional freestyle scene was now seen as an "white" form of suburban music. dominated at the time through freestyle large Italian Movement/wave of artist that rose out of Philly, new jersey , the tri-state area and canada.

For a long time..there was a huge culture clash within the freestyle comunity. it was no longer seen as a hispanic cultural movement. it had a total diferent cause. it was seen as what in ceartain regions they would call "guido music" or "Gino beats".

the cultural cause was not the same as the previous waves. In the hispanic areas, the youth that grew up with the original movement were growing older and they saw alot of thier icons sellout and run shamefully from the freestyle scene they built.(till this day still ashamed to use the "freestyle" word). They did not feel as strongly or felt represented by the new wave of artist. many felt that these artist would of represented the latin hiphop movement as much as elvis presley, frank senatra, or Joe dimagio.

But in fact what they were representing was the strong love,suport and presence the italian american community has always had for freestyle music since the beginning. They also were there, they also were as much a part of it and for the same reason the fact could of not been argued. aside from that..it was mostly the hispanic wave of producers in the tri-state area who left the scene. the irony: the main players /purist for the hipanicic stronghold in the tri-state region were not hispanic themselves. they were also italian,who grew up in the barrios of new york.

(to this day a contreversial and touchy subject.)

the whole movement, way of dress and art changed completely during that time. the hispanics that were still in the game would later re invade the scene through new influnces of mixtures with house and trip hop/breaks.

as far as non, musical cultural contributions, the new wave of hispanic artist took the sound back to the street, back to dj culture, away from the suburbs and back to the clubs.back to the electro undergound.

many have come back now since then (it was 9 years ago) and are now influencing the freestyle scene with new ways of culture. a clash of 80's, a clash of rave culture ,house culture, rediscovering the hispanic and african american cultural ways of dress, art, fashion etc and infusing it in the nu-freestyle. break dancing is back and has alwaya been back. but now more often seen in freestyle break parties. car culture is also on the rise and growing in popularity.

as far as ethnicity, once latin (hipanic and italian), Freestyles cultural identity has crossed far and has now included influences and participations from many cultures and ethicities that are now intergrating with the scene as the times are once again changing. we have had waves of artist from the large Philipino (a youth) from sanfransisco and the west coast (who like hispanics share that background history when the spanish invaded the lands), the greek community,canada's community. freestyle has crossed over and now has contributions from germany, the u.k., france, spain, etc.

freestyle is a culture, it is a rich historic over view of music and cultural evolution that crosses and examines all kinds of clutural and ethnical lines and how those lines infuse and inspire our poetry and songs, our painting, murals and sculptures. our sound, our fashion, our art expresed through visuals in the world of television, internet and performance art.


as i speak, there is a discovery merging. a new generation is rediscovering all that freestyle once was and will re-infuse the scene, within the wave of artist and other art forms that will flourish out of the nu-freestyle.

as far as expresing a hispanic cultural boom in the freestyle game, ther is many who already started productions and opened or re-opened labels. the same figures that were allhere in the beginning are finding themselves back and aligning themselves with a new generation.

what has changed and will be diferent is that we are now global.
freestyle is a global culture and has a following from many countries. the nu-freestyle, unlike the old freestyle, cannot rely on ethnicity alone. it has to rely on a clash of global cultures and express all forms of art that express the strugle and at the same time apeal to all who apreciate Music culture..in all its forms.

Freestyle in all has been one of the most dificult genres and cultures to explain. It alone is so complex...for the same reason no one else would of really been able to answer the question "non musicaly..what is freestyle?".

In reality.....freestyle non musicaly and culturaly is a feeling. its a pride you wake up with. Its a sence of joy and pain intertwined.
its your look to the past and into the future. its the energy you get from watching a world around you and having the energy to dream. it is the feeling that only through music, you can escape. only through lyrics you can release.
it is the call of melodies through ancestors that rises out of your soul. your heart beat is a drum that has been pounding hard for 5 hunderd years. it is culturaly a passion. the yearn to love, the yearn to hate.the need to cry. the feeling of a broken heart and the feeling of what it is to lose your soul over and over again. the need to relate and find comfort inthe sound that only a soul could understand.

the feel to dance and release tension. the need to belong, yet be unique.

And you express all this in poetry, song lyrics, painting, graph, car, musical expression through intrumnets or (our instruments, tables and vinyle)even the food you prepare every evening.

freestyle culture is the ways of life we all relate to each other within the realm of street and club life. the same experiences and patterns that a generation before us already went through. In many ways is conditionaly learned or pased on. and this is shared with all of us in this community, depsite all our diferences.
we are one.

This music industry is based on entertiament. but in reality it is dificult to seperate the entertainment pasrt of a genre and its cultural part. For this reason pasrts of the industry dont really understand freestyle or understand why in its worst of times still surviving.
they dont know how to market or reach that crowd. the freestyle following. they cant really market something they know nothing about. freestyle labels of the 80's were made by the movement and for the movement. a brand ne label today without that background would have a hard time marketing and understanding freestyles cultural and ethnical roots.

like hip hop, jazz and country...even punk rock (in some cases)..they all reflected a cultural or ethnical element in thier music. race or patriotism to a country. so it is easy to market that to those markets. trance today is marketed as a European form, although many hav sampled breaks and melodies from the over looked dance classics from the U.s., especially when they harbor and mingle in miami's trance scene (infused with freestyle harmonies). House music core audience is marketed towards the gay market first, as most dance music has since the rise of disco.

freestyle's market, which was once motly hispanic, isnt targeted to hipanics anymore. despite that 85 % of the scene is hispanic..the feel to not let fans feel excluded is the means for not doing so.
unlike hip hop or punk rock or trance..freestyle isnt a patriotic or racial market..its an ethnical one. yet alone is many ethnicities rolled into one. therefore is dificult to market , for those who dont really undertsand it.

which in most cases is why many still are loyal to classics (cuz they feel safe) and listen to latin (spanish radio) midday mix shows to get a taste of what once was.

yes, freestyle had a culture and once again will have a new one as the times develop.they will be expresed in many ways beyond just music.

most important as any art form cultural,ethnical or not...as an art form will be and enjoyed by all as all art and music globaly is.



I hope you have a headache from reading this just as much as i have from writing this.

when it comes to talk about freestyle and culture..it is a touchy subject to many due to the factthat the ethnical lines and diferences will rise up. and that causes tension, discomfort and at times querels within our community. some people would not touch the subject, as they feel there is no need to talk about something that can rock a boat.

at the same time not talking about facts in our history leads to ignorance and is harder to find answers and solutions.

but yes,,, freestyle has a culture and a very strong one.

for years the music had been dead (until breaks), otherthan that it has been the culture and the communty that has kept this genre strong and alive.


JONPITO

p.s. this is one of those touchy post. so i do feel and hope that those sensative to the subject are not ofended in any way.
it is a form of thought and knowledge shared within our circles that is now bieng shared with you guys.

the onely reason i posted here, was that no one else could answer the question.



next!!!
 
Absolutely

Although not hispanics, italian americans from new york have been a part of this since day one . many helped open the doors, and shared the latin identity as well. many also came from mixed backgrounds (like most of us do) and related to what was going on in the club and street at diferent time periods the many waves would flourish themselves.

I actually read one of Jonpito's booklong posts :lol and I most definitely agree with this thread. To those Freestylers who know me personally I always regard Freestyle more than just music but as a way of life,a culture,a time period unique in every way and one that I miss more than I can say. As stated above by Jonpito it was totally obvious from day one that Freestyle was prevalent among young Italian Americans such as myself and it is the best feeling to have played a major role in what made Freestyle what it was. We simply called it "Club Music" and those who did not have ears gifted enough to hear the difference in our music or see it in us penned it "Guido Music" which I later learned to take as a compliment. Check out my thoughts on it culture-wise>>>>>
"Keep SpiNNiN that Freestyle"®
 
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first of all lets just give thanks and foremost to the almighty god for blessin nyc(the birthplace of freestyle) with the gift that he created out of his unique mind and givin it to us........( the freestylers) cuz without freestyle today they wouldnt be no marc anthony there wouldnt be no india or a stevie b. or madonna cuz when the seed(freestyle) was planted out came these big stars,these big time singers that grew into the music and has made it what it is today that so much touch the hearts of millions and millions of ppl from all over the world...........so yeah freestyle does have its culture just like hip hop does but thats another story.

the fact of the matter is that freestyle was made by latins in general thats why in the beginning when freestyle first came out it was called latin hip hop for its type of instruments that was playing the melodies of the song cuz it also had the hip hop flavor to it were the 2 was combine together and gave birth to freestyle.

so let me break it down like this also so that ya ppl can understand where im comin from cuz im sure ya have heard the phrase "family tree"........now everything in the world has it roots for example jazz now if there wasnt no jazz today there wouldnt be no funk and without funk there wouldnt be no soul and without soul today there wouldnt be such a thing what is call today "hip hop".....or like some say rap! cuz out of hip hop they made r&b and pop so ya do the math.

cuz u see each music has its own style, its own rythmn but!......the ones who made what it is today brought culture to it so u gotta understand that freestyle too has its culture as well why do u think its so unique and original? so ppl pay close attention to the music not just to the singer who is singing it but how the music was formed!
 
FrEEjacK00 said:
I actually read one of Jonpito's booklong posts :lol

LOL! 😀 Mad long but so informative hehe 😛

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I agree with JonPito. Just reading your post was like nastolgia. Reason I posted my original post was to see what freestyle meant to one another from the different areas and how it affected culturally, spiritually and through unity. I reside on the West and seeing what happened from a distance was so amazing to me. San Jose was Freestyle city in regard to Northern California.

I do also feel the Indie's hold the key for Freestyle music's future and present. I do feel the big wave will be coming soon and 3rd generation will explode with a fresh outlook with inspirations from the past. I also do think to suceed in the future we should always remember our past. And from being here for the past weeks it is so refreshing to me that you all do so well like it was yesterday. I am like this, and it makes me feel so good inside to know there are others who share the passion as I do.

I am honored that you took the time to writing a inspirational post
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Many different cultures would like to claim freestyle but they can't.Just because you listen to freestyle doesn't mean that it belongs to your culture.If that was the case then Anglos(american whites) can claim rap as their creation since more whites listen and most importantly BUY the music.That would be silly just like any other culture claiming freestyle.It was born in the barrios and clubs of ny and then everyone else jump on the bandwagon

Don't think it's true?

Where is the nu skool concert taking place?

The Bronx!!

Freestyle is going back to its roots.....nuff said!!
 
Dayum JonPito!

Very long post, but very well written.

To add a little more to the story, and add another group that supports freestyle, the gay community always threw its support to this form of music.

Even when I was still in the closet, I knew a number of gay people, and the music they played was freestyle. According to them, the gay clubs constantly played all the new house and freestyle songs that were hot at the time.

Even today, there is a gay following of the music, and freestyle artists will perform at gay clubs and gay pride festivals.
 
the gay community always threw its support to this form of music.


Chuck- I agree bro. I didn't start going to gay clubs until I was 20, circa 1996. By that time Freestyle, at least in the Boston scene, had been wiped out. I'm sure you could've went to a "str8" club and heard it mixed in with Disco and 80's pop, but at 20 years old and new to the gay "scene", why would I want to go there? I make the effort, nowadays, to go to Victor Victorias (Side Street) in the Bronx or Frans Place (Lynn, MA) to hear my Freestyle in a gay atmosphere and Freestyle is truly a big part of the culture. These establishments are predominantly Latino and Gay. It's great. Then when I request something, it's always the bomb shit and the floor get's packed! However, I like to balance it out and hit up a few "str8" clubs as well, such as the Copa (Saugus, MA). I have to add that, Freestyle is mainly heard in smaller venue-type clubs (gay or straight). You couldn't go to the Roxy or Twilo to hear Freestyle whatsoever.
 
Chuck D

you are correct.

yes, but that is another chapter in our freestyle history.

did you want me to write more?lol.


breifly.

The gay community has always been the core audience for dance music in general since the early 70's and late 60's. in freestyle history..inthe early 80's it was the rise of dance music that gave the gay communty of that generation its identity. the sound was prodominatly that dance beated HI NRG music that would further evolve out of the new wave and rock bands coming from Europe, who were infuenced by gay disco.

It was mostly groups like Bronski beat, new order, eurasure and many others that at a global scale would mostly openly be accepted by the prodominatly coucasian mainstream gay audience. It would of spilled into the new wave and goth scenes at a darker tone.
In the U.S., at the time that the early 80's and mid 80's freestylemovments were taking place, It was Freestyle records that would be flourishing first on gay dance floors at the same time conquering the steet tough machismo latin and mainsteam dance floors of america.

There is a known fact that 25 % of freestyle pioneers and promoters of that time were also gay and depended strongly on the gay following.

It was towards the late 80's when freestyle could not really meet the demands for undergound music standards anymore and found more favorable the experimentations and new sounds rising out of the house scene, who already since its birth in chicago, already had an established gay following (prodominantly black and latin gays).

Inthe freestyle scene...many gay Icons would flourish...one of many Madonna in her early days, would be known to fill gay dance floors first (with a freestyle sound) and still known to do so.she to also had to perfom at the roxy, maimis ricks bar and casanovas as well as gay clubs of thattime.

India would also be known to do the same, filling gay clubs before any other club and release it to them first; filling clubs in miami like the paragon or the Warsaw ballroom.

In fact , the day that lil luoe vega and India crossed over to the world of undergound House music in new york (through many projects on strictly rhythm), would mark the days that freestyle in new york would loose over halph of its undergound latin and gay following (as far as undeground club music went). Not far from that there would be a dry spell over the miami dance music scene, until the dawn of techno rave.


todays undergorund scene it is diferent. due to the fact that labels like strictly Rhythm, groovalicious, g2 ,who were the blood life for hi energetic vocal "circuite" style records flooding the gay dance floors , closed down. Add releases with such an impact from other labels as nervouse*69, etc are now more and more less vocal and lessenergetic; add to that the trend that house labels are following and relying to what is on radio (same mistake freestyle did 20 years back)(everyone wants to be Kyle monogue)(who originaly was known to be another hi nrg hag, why her gay following would play a crucial role to her comeback as it did with cher,madonna,and cyndy louper.).
regardless with all these factors, with less energetic vocal records in the market today.... The gay dance floors are dying fast.
Djs are prefering more agressive and darker forms of house, not only ignoring vocal importance and NRG, but now also forgetting and backing away from the TRIbal beats that have been known to dominate the gay Circuit.

With the gay community tired of the same sh*t, diferent day...they have grown tired of the jeffrey sanker parties and the over marketed centour copmpilations. Djs have to now pull vinyl from years back (im talking like old as charlette "skin", pet shop boys "new york city boi) etc) to get people on the dance floors.

another tactic they are using is with the 80's revival, they are mixing in more House remakes of Freestyle records from a couple of years ago like shanon or information society and mixing it in with the breaks that is creeping up into gay dance floors now.
add that to the electro clash and80's driven dance grooves and speeding them up to records like "Flip and phil feat kelly llorena "true love never dies"...you have pockets opening more and more to freestyle again.
Not to mention the new wave of new wave dance rockers that are soon to fill the floors of the most undergound joints and dominate other areas with more favorable remixes.

there is a alot going on right now...times are changing, ALL cultures are changing..........

for the same reason artist like Frank Lords (dark beat), D'luna (china doll),who was on jellybean; a label known for gay house anthems like plasmic honey "take me to the top", Pulse feat: antoniet robertsons "lover that you are", veronica's "someone to love").
and even Rockell are exploding and doing shows at gay clubs first before any where else.

in our case d'luna is already crowned queen "hag" in miami's gay scene and is already recognized by the members of the house of lords, including Tp lords , had circuit goddess Kitty meow open and host the taishan ball 2003 freestyle party during WMC at score (which alot of homophobe freestylers didnt show up to).
And the community is open to that. they want strong women to thow down strong performances.

and its in due time that artistlike d'luna, rockell, frank lords and many other strong performers will raise show standards on stage for others to follow. and theyre all "freestyle" figures
breaking more ground than the mainstream eye can catch.


(To the uneduceted...in underground club culture and also in gay culture...when someone is a fag hag, it is not a bad thing. A hag is
what we used to call a diva. a diva wasnt only a woman..but mostly refered to a vocal artist male or female who was mostly known for falseto vocals. you couldnt tell if it was a guy or girl singing. (kinda like a yaz record, sylvester, byron stingly, or celeda). that is a real diva.
a hag is a woman..very classy, very c**t, very glamouroese and is usually for some reason atracts gay men, due to their craving for perfectionist and people who love all things BEAUtiful.
She can be a bitch and get away with it. all attitude. but at the same time displayes it with grace.

the true reason for the success of any female artist is her gay following. If they have not passed the test to become an Icon, if they dont have what it takes, then they would never survive the critisism and cuntiness of the gay community. they would not pass the test of glamour and perfection . for the same reason artist like madonna, cher, cyndy louper..etc to this day have their loyal following fromthe gay community from day one.

But yes, the gay culture is one of fresstyle's important subcultures and one of many cultures that freestyle over laps and clashes well with.



Going back to freestyle culture talk...nighttrayn said somthing about,"just cuz you listen to freestyle doesnt mean its your culture"...........that may be somewhat true...but regardless it was many who were not of the culture who opend the doors for those coming out of the barrios. and last i checked important pioneers like Aurther baker or john roca were not from the barrios of puerto rico.

you cnat really talk like that withough hurting others feeling or sending a negative message.

in fact.. yes its true...freestyle is finding its way back home to the barrio, to the bronx. with a new line up of new generation freestyle acts, many who are hispanic..

but wasnt sal B, who is taking the concert to the bronx (also like sal abbateillo and joey gardner) italian?.

Hispanic italians or anglo white americanized italians..... they are still part of the history. You cant count them out.

you cant also count out the waves and contributions coming from many other cultures like the west coast philipino, the greek american, the large wave of brazilian coming from miami....mostly are all latin or latin influenced cultures. maybe not hispanic, but all have the same cultural traits, and somewhat the same experiences as the hispanic community. and this is no longer just the U.S. its international.

Freestyle is like the history of the discovery of america, or like many hispanics with native blood in them (sangre india)call the invasion of the lands.

A spanish cause, with italians on board who had alot to do with the discovery and spanish colonization of the new world.

Freesty culture is so complex. even within that term "latin" in latin freestyle...you could be talking about afro latin culture, you could be talkng about white latin culture (spaniard descendents) you could be talking about cultures that are mixed or have indiginuese in them. you can even be talking about the non hispanic italian american culture).

but its the experiences that all these cultures go though, the yearn for passion and life and love of these cultures that intertwines and affects heavely the music and its construction.

It is through the music that the lifestyle is reflected. It is through those experiences that any one can relate to. Itis through music that many can feel a sort of representation.
and it is through music, artisticaly that is meant e not for every one to undertand it to the fullest, but ceartainly to be enjoyed.

You can be a boy who is a mix of italian american father witha afro puertorican or dominican mother, dating a chineese girl mixed with canadian and philipines, whos has a gay brother dating a white republican cuban in miami; whos uncle originally went to club 1235....etc etc and all listen to freestyle and all feel represented by it to the fullest, culturaly.

on another note...miami has held strong to its freestyle roots and history just as new york has. miami had to remeber not only the most pop releases that newyork had to keep alive, but maimi had to keep alive the relases and history of both cities and the history of our cousin scene the Hi nRG scene. miami progresed and took the freestyle sound to further levels along with california during the 90's......progresed with trance and house and still is infusing dance floors with nu-freestyle and electro breaks at a global scale.
we know the roots of the music and its history. we recognize new york as one of the Birth places of frestyle music.

But taking it back to the old skool (to the street now)..this is a tale of 2 cities!
when one city failed and isolated itself from the world and kept a closed mind to evolution, while the restof the world cought on.....the other city had to make up for it.

while one city critisized or closed doors to any form or genre or culture of music that was not like them, the other opened its doors.
while one city housed ignorance and and failed to filter quality at all levels of televisioon,radio, etc ....
the other did the oposite and flourished the new sound at a global scale.

while one city was responsible for making a scene look closed minded, egocentric and ametueristic, the other had to clean up the image and re introduce it to new generations.
while one city (ny) forgot about the other (miami), it was the other (miami) who didnt forget about NY.

miami will never forget that. And forever will remind the City that claimed to always be on top, of its failures.(the loss of freestyle culture and now the loss of the crown of dance music to EUROPE).
the apple had worms...but it was the orange that kept shining.

and last i remind myself that yes...Freestyle is going back to the barrio..which is why there will be a freestyle concert inthe bronx with a new generation. but last i also recall

there will be another concert by the same promoters at freestyle's OTHER HOME MIAMI. and the reason why it willhave old school artist....In miami...you better watch yourself with what you bring in here. miami and south beach...you will be filtered.
miami freestyle crowds are HARDCORE!!

Miami's new generation has also established a non tolarant attitude, inherited bythe Original new york freestylers of the 80's, who have now established miami as home.

Miamis old skool crowds are todays house and rave crowds that invade places like level or space 34 etc. we are on the cutting edge and we do have standards, unlike other regions.
on top of that, when miamis nu-freestyle scene rises with a new wave...it is all those other genres, scens and cultures we didnt turn away that will open doors for us at a global scale.

And that means making freestyle a global music culture and eductae the world of our past, our struggle and our achievments.Not only as hpanics, but as latin americans and a undeground american dance culture.


JONPITO
 
WOOO-WOOOO

😱 Now this is one well educated freestyler fo sho..gesh..JONPITO u may wanna have some of these posts published for sure..great job..😉 😛 😉
 
Jonpito- I agree with everything you said, bro. 'Cuz you know in the back of my mind, I was picturing banshee boyz and drag queens "cat-walkin'" to some fierce beats. So many "gay anthem" divas such as Veronica, Kim English, and Kevin Aviance definitely are Gay icon's and I have had the opportunity to see them perform. The Gay community is, without a doubt, a major force in the Dance community, whether it be Freestyle, House, or Pop-remixes.
 
thank you for takingthe time to read.

im just warming up.

in a month you will see why.

JONPITO



carlitos way: got a song you know. want to remind you. share it with everyone here.( know you gata know this)!

It was the queen of circuit house,kim english, who showed me the light, that i was doing right to stick to my roots.
wich is my joy! My unspeakable JOY!
and my joy is non other than FREESTYLE MUSIC!

like judy torres screams! Now, Always, and FOREVER!!!

ms. English,she had a song and it went a lil like:

"When i wake up inthe morning gets me out of bed.
keeps me running,skipping,jumping like a lil kid.
you know,somtimes i can hardly keep it inside.
it overtakes me,over whelms me and im more alive.

i did not get it from, any wo-man or man.
and its o-k if THEY dont al-ways un-der-stand
its very easy to get cought in sircumstance
its even easier to break out in a dance.....

J J J J JJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJ
JOY! unspeakable JOY! cuz they cannot hear it,
they cannot take it away!!! "


peace!
 
Well said Jon but....

Jon we Latin Hispanic people range in all colors.We are a mixed race of black,brown and white.You have black Latinos in Spain.I was there a few years back most of the Spaniards looked Arabian/brown semetic some looked white others looked black.Freestyle has had alot of Asians,blacks,whites contibute to it not just Latins.Freestyle here in Tampa Bay,Florida is only big with hetrosexual Latins and a few white or Asian gays or lesbians like it.GOD Bless,Omar 🙂
 
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