Urban Dance Vs. Freestyle

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It's true that image helps and video's - Sonique did a good job with her video making it cool, The Underdog Project - both of their videos were cool, and it did make the songs that much better and more interesting to watch, but how does Jessica Simpson make it? I don't see how it's cool at all, I don't find her video interesting, what did she do?
We need a freestyle video like Usher's video or Missy Elliot, but try to stay away from too much bling bling and girls in thongs because as soon as that dies, hip hop will move on and freestyle will fall off and get ridiculed. Stick with the Missy Elliot creativity and futuristic, but modern cool look. Have few scenes with the beautiful ladies, money, and cars - but don't over do it. The movies still use it and I'm sure will continue to use it even if hip hop starts to lessen it a little, so as long as freestyle stays at a minimal level, not as extreme as hip hop but just enough to be in, the videos would be successful. DO NOT PUT RAP IN THE FREESTYLE, because this most likely will not work. It will create a booty bass track and quickly get rejected because new booty bass just doesn't work these days. As a matter of fact, anything over 130 bpm here in Phoenix, people wont accept. The radio stations are going away from it and the clubs seem to be also. It's all called "techno", and even when I let someone listen to the collipark remix of "slow jamz" by Twista & Kanye West (an urban bass remix), she said she liked it even though they made a "techno" remix - but that was only because she already knew the song. Even when I gave out some of my c.d.'s of rhythmic r&b and hip hop and threw in some dance /freestyle and bass tracks, the girls I gave them to would say they liked the c.d. but they skipped around a few tracks. ("I don't really like all that teco, or techno or whatever the hell you call it" was one response I got from someone) But then on the other hand, there is an all dance music station here surviving, and a dance music show on a hip hop & r&b station that seems to be doing o.k., even playing sets of drum & bass and getting a huge response.

Many people don't know what freestyle is, and if they do, then it's all old school to them, and they are not open minded to check out the new stuff when I tell them it exists and sometimes even show them the c.d. At one point when I first started d.j.'ing, I did not play any old school at all because many times if I played a freestyle song, people would tell me to play something new and stop playing old stuff so for everyone to know that the freestyle I was playing was current, I was known as the one that doesn't play old school. (Now of course I play it all.) I think the more a song is played on the radio and the more people are brainwashed and told that something is cool or in, then people will except it. Freestyle or dance music might have trouble in the United States, but in Germany, Canada, parts of South America, and some other places, it's very big (even though 2step just seems to be going down all together). (Those Underdog Project videos were aired on MuchMusic T.v., a Canadian music t.v. channel, before they went more alternative/rock.)

I suggest if you want freestyle to survive and be successful with rap in it, then it must be done with half fast, and half slow beats, kind of like "ladiez" by Sarai and "give it to you" by Jordan knight.

Just like freestyle, Trip Hop, Ambient, and Down-tempo are categories people don't really know about. There are many people that don't even know what booty bass music is until I explain it to them only for them to say they don't like it or anything fast like that. I don't understand how a type of music can just die like that - how does everyone just stop liking it at the same time? I don't think country is dying despite the fact that almost everybody hates it > their stations always have the strongest signal, they have their own channel on cable when all other music must either be on BET or MTV or VH1, I don't get it. None of it is in the top 40, but somehow it has it's own channel!

but honestly, dance music is the most accepted form of music there is, it can be played at weddings, parties, and various occasions, and it's one of the only forms of music where all people can listen, without any discrimination with it. - www.ktu.com
 
The freestyle genre might be falling off right now, but at least we can still find new compilations, new freestyle singles, and hear new freestyle songs every now and then. There is no booty bass artist that could say this, and 2step/garage might as well just forget it. I'm not even sure if TripHop is surviving.

Maybe we need a DJ Clue or FUNKMASTER FLEX of freestyle music, putting out the compilations talking and saying my name all over the music, hyping about it on t.v. and the way things are going now - that would most likely be me!

Before certain people got into hip hop, I suffered enough in Atlanta schools (and somewhat also here in Phoenix) when I was the only (african-american) student going around and sharing my freestyle music with everyone while people were telling me it's wack..............etc, I need to start playing hip hop... Very Long Story! My first love HATED dance music, and when I did a party in Cuba, the first day we had met before we even had any idea that something could happen between us, she had to tell someone else to tell me she liked my music, but when I broke out the Alexis, Jocelyn, and stuff like that, she had the nerve to come up to me and tell me to change it - that nobody at the party likes it.... but that's another story, I wont get into my life story here, but now I have her asking me for freestyle music, specifically, and Angelina is one of her favorite albums - as you can see I converted her.

You can ask anybody that knows me, I just do not give up. I will play freestyle music in front of anyone, anywhere. Even at a hip hop party/rapping contest, I busted out with freestyle songs - Natalise, S.F. Spanish Fly, Adriana, I guess I have no shame!
There is this hip hop club I d.j. at sometimes and you can ask anybody there what I do. I have people confused when I get on because they know I'll play it if I want and they can't stop me unless they just don't let me get on. I've had some problems there and have been unwelcomed a few times but you ask them and they will tell you I'm persistant, and very different from everyone else. Some people have complained, and what did that do? It just made me take freestyle beats and put it over hip hop songs - Like I said I just don't give it up. Who plays freestyle on a radio and leaves it in a spot where a plummer or repair man has to fix something? Who has people at the drive through of various fast food places listening to freestyle until the food is done? I do. Who has everybody at work listening to freestyle on the job, people at bus stops listening to a discman, and people with their windows down at a red light hearing freestyle? I do. Who is the guy that went to Cuba and stayed in the ambassadors house, set up speakers outside and just busted out with Michelle Diaz, Stevie B, Collage, Tribe, Angelina, Julissa, Jossette, La Rissa, Jocelyn Enriquez, Corina, M:G, Armand Van Helden,(............ this list goes on and on and on....)? Yup, it was me. Maybe it's a good thing loud music is not alowwed in the neighborhood I live in now!

Maybe I should post weekly "things I've done this week to support and get freestyle music heard" - It could be pretty interesting...

:cynthia but as for now, look for my FUTURE FLAVA'S REPORT, a list on new artists, compilations, and songs you probably don't know about that may become popular or your favorites in the near future.

~ kdm / dj shymann ~
 
I like the name FREESTYLE,it should stay that way, I dont want people confusing FREESTYLE with crappy urban music like RAP/HIPHOP/R&B, all music I hate!!!!!!!!!
 
KENNY GUIDO said:
FREESTYLE is a dead name in the industry.

time to change the name......
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Straight and to the point and 100% right and that is the whole mentality for the new direction. In our hearts as freestyle fans it will always live and that is loyal but that loyalty will not keep the artist from producing new material so they have to roll with the punches and adapt for what the industry is calling for. Can you guys understand that or at the very least respect that??? I hope so because the future of freestyle/Urban Dance depends on it.
 
Im feelin it :yeey Im feelin it :yeey I hate the name Freestyle :barf
 
Hey guys, im new to this forum but my brother posts here all the time..Im here to comment about the use of "URBAN DANCE".. I also have NU IMAGE's album, its a good album, but not a great album..Theres only about 4 tracks that can be called well written. I think by calling this sound " URBAN DANCE", its taking a shot at all the past freestyle artists there have been in the business. We talk about how much freestyle is dieing, but you have to realize by wanting to change the name, thats killing freestyle..U wanna get main stream attention? U think the name URBAN DANCE is going to do that? Our sound is FREESTYLE, if people feel u wanna call it urban dance, then go ahead..But djs arent going to go for it and it will always be called freestyle..Urban dance is just plain stupid..Thanks guys, i hope people can understand my point..This is from an 18 year old perspective, you either love it or hate it, just dont recreate it..thanks guys
 
I agree. Freestyle is what we all like and changing the name is just putting the final nail in the coffin for freestyle. Pop, rock, and country all have changed their sound to keep up wih the times but never the name. Freestyle is what it is and if artists want to record freestyle they should, otherwise they should record what ever sound they want, but they should not expect to get a core base of fans by using the freestyle fans to get there.
 
DJ stav there arre varients to rock like grunge, metal even metal hAS SUB GENRES LIKE SPEED METAL AS SUCH JAZZ HAS SUB GENRES AS WELL
 
DJ STAV said:
I agree. Freestyle is what we all like and changing the name is just putting the final nail in the coffin for freestyle. Pop, rock, and country all have changed their sound to keep up wih the times but never the name. Freestyle is what it is and if artists want to record freestyle they should, otherwise they should record what ever sound they want, but they should not expect to get a core base of fans by using the freestyle fans to get there.
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I agree 100% Plus urban dance already is taken by HIP HOP/RAP ARTISTS!!!!!!!!!!HELLO??????????? We are not that kind of music!!!!!WE HAVE CLASS. 😉
 
frankie said:
I agree 100% Plus urban dance already is taken by HIP HOP/RAP ARTISTS!!!!!!!!!!HELLO??????????? We are not that kind of music!!!!!WE HAVE CLASS. 😉
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Yes Urban Dance is a real genre, You cant take that name, its aready being used by People who do Urban Dance, lol. Freestyle is the name of this game, The only thing that has to be changed is The attitude of its fans, artists , and Sucka ass radio DJ's who keep playing Nelly and Jarule :nah Just stay possitive and hold on, When Freestyle comes back , the world will know it. Mtv Look Out!! Generation 2 is in it to win it!! Just stay faithfull to freestyle and it stay faithfull to you. Its comming back yall, Mark my words. If Corder Roys can come back , By God so can Freestyle.
 
If the title "Urban dance" is taken, and "freestyle" is a played out name that most radio ignores, and "dance" is too broad of a title? What other name might anyone suggest to revive this endangered speci? I hear lots of comments from those who like the name "Freestyle", but I'm sure most of you know that "Freestyle" is also another name taken by rappers who flow (rap) without any written material.
 
Urban Dance Movement

FORWARD THE MOVEMENT"

Everything begins with a sound.

Something new and unheard of. From the Big Bang to your Last Gasp before the end, there is sound. Sound takes on many forms, many patterns and vibrations. The most pleasing of these forms, the most significant in the lives of many is when sound becomes music.

Twenty years ago a new form of music gripped the streets of New York with a fever and tenacity unseen in clubs, or on radio. It was bold, unpredictable, and made you want to dance. It was primal and beautiful, thunderous and hypnotic, urban and magnificently Latin.

What was born as Latin Hip Hop grew later became known as freestyle and it burned like a supernova for a decade.

But times change, as they always do.

The grass withers and fades away to make way for new grass, new life just as the old must make way for the new. The musical landscape has changed during the years since freestyle’s Glory Days as dramatically as a soundwave changes pitch while resonating from one end of an arpeggio to the other.

Lightening may never strike twice in the same place but history does have a way of repeating itself and if you blink you just might miss it.

We find ourselves at the cusp of a new movement, a new incarnation, a new sound.

Something primal and beautiful, thunderous and hypnotic…and entirely urban. Two decades ago it was called Latin Hip Hop and it was the future of the sound on the streets, in the clubs, and on the radio.

Now life comes full circle as creators old and new have come forward, galvanized in their efforts, and determined to transform what once was into what is the new sound of the streets.

The Urban Dance sound.

Don’t blink.

Right here, the future begins…again. Any questions please feel free to send me a Private message.
 
Basically this new evolution will not be freestyle. True rock has many sub genres. but freestyle itself is already a sub genre of dance music. I agree the sound needs to be updated a bit to meet todays standards, but if the music is freestyle then it should be called that. If this new sound is something else, then call it what you like. But if we call freestyle with any other name, then freestyle is truely dead. I feel those who want to abandon the name freestyle, are also abandoning the fans. What some artists/producers in the freestyle genre want to do is take the label freestyle off so (in their munds)they might stand a better chance for airplay. At the same time, they need the base support of the "already here" freestyle fans to spark the sales so a larger record company can pick the act up. Now these projects as in the past have not been freestyle. Example the TKA forever album, the new Judy Torres song, the new CORO song and many more. These projects though have been promoted to us on the freestyle sites implying they are freestyle. We go and buy the album, and then we are disappointed in our purchase. Which makes us even more leary of buying the next artists project. I think Stevie B is awesome, but his "It's So Good" cd was his worst yet, simply because he is trying to an audience that is not listening to his music and forgetting the people that turn out at his concerts to see him perform. If the song is great, well produced it will get radio play and be exposed to the masses. Rockell is the perfect example. Her songs were quality and look what happened. If the same quality is put out again, it will sell. The name has nothing to do with the music. It does not fool anyone. If crap is put out, then again no one will buy or play it. No matter what the name is. I am proud to spin, buy, and listen to freestyle!
 
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