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wow

this could be a sign of the times or a call for a much needed change .
i understand what kenny is saying about lets support and try to get one of your favs to be on this event @ taj mahal

but i see where luvmesafire is going with it .like why should we make the effort .
when the station is not supporting you the listener and the fact is you have seen us [all the groups] perform countless times .
i know alot of you echo this sentment and i for one understand .
i hope that the statement is not about the caliber of johnny o's talent or performance , for as we all know johnny rides his own lane and has always tried to forge ahead with whatever he could give you the audience .
...
that statement of why??????? has been the deepest statement made on this or any freestyle when page ever.
....... again wow
 
why are any dance music artist freestyle or other ...doing shows for KTU????
KTU SUCKSSS!!!!......they show NO support for these dance artist dont play any of there music (with the exception of one of there old songs from the 80s)...KTU could care less about these dance music artist....there to busy playing kanye west,reinna,mariah carey....I still dont know why these artist are doing shows for KTU!!!..
 
the reason is...for freestyle.
one we have no other option but too use any resource possible including a station like ktu too get ourselves as artist out there.
not many big business people are putting money in the freestyle band wagon if they were more of the current batch of artist would have radio play and be seen by a much bigger audience.
ktu spends millions on advertising there events like beatsock etc etc and even though they don't show true radio play support for us in terms of new records everyone knows who cynthia coro myself and other freestyle artist are cause of it .
its almost like the old saying let them spread rumors about you its when they have nothing to say that you don't matter at all. well as long as we keep our names out there we keep what little value this music may have up.
yes they very seldom pay, yes we get no new song adds but after thier events we get more show bookings around the tristate area and in the past couple of years its help us get a little bit of a comeback buzz.
about the artist they play now they need this type of artist to tap into the new audience thats coming up in n.y looking for dance sounding music .yeah it may not be the dance you are looking for but in an age of instant gratification. the quick fix for a radio stations is to play whats already been tested and works as opposed to the risks taking of the past .


sorry but thats it. realize i and many others deal with this uncertainty everyday you the fan only notice when all the changes have been made .
do station like ktu suck yes but what can you do really.
turn off the radio or continue too listen either way the change will continue.

in a nut shell : sign of the times
 
KTU is New York's last commercial outlet that gets freestyle out to the masses (besided Long Island's PARTY 105). I shall support it because KTU was the only station to bring us freestyle again after such a long drought. Sure, we have internet stations but when Im in my car (most of the time) I dont have internet to listen to. Yes, satelite opens new doors for many listeners but there are still negatives to it (I dont hear too many advertisments for clubs and shows on there.) KTU does this, and gets it out to millions.

KTU stepped it up a notch with Beatstock this summer by adding Pajama Party and Brenda and they are adding a bit with Maurice.
 
after 10 or so beatstocks to get money to paid for more than your outfit is a break through....
lol
this ain't a pro ktu stance for me i got more than enough gripes with the so call beat of ny.
xm sirius all great but not every 15 to 45 year old avid freestyle head is going to pay the bucks for a monthly just to get freestylest greatest hits plus the graveyard of freestyles o.h.w's .
 
k7/tka said:
wow

this could be a sign of the times or a call for a much needed change .
i understand what kenny is saying about lets support and try to get one of your favs to be on this event @ taj mahal

but i see where luvmesafire is going with it .like why should we make the effort .
when the station is not supporting you the listener and the fact is you have seen us [all the groups] perform countless times .
i know alot of you echo this sentment and i for one understand .
i hope that the statement is not about the caliber of johnny o's talent or performance , for as we all know johnny rides his own lane and has always tried to forge ahead with whatever he could give you the audience .
...
that statement of why??????? has been the deepest statement made on this or any freestyle when page ever.
....... again wow
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It continues to amaze me how no one realizes the real reason why freestyle is not on pop radio anymore like back in the day. It never should have gotten spin on these stations like it did at one time. Pop radio uses the "charted hits" formula to determine their play rotation. They don't care whether a song is freestyle, rap, r&b, house, etc. All they care is if the song is a charted hit. Back in the 80s it was a different formula they were using. The CHR formula didn't become prevalent until around 1990. A good most of the freestle songs that got radio play back in the day should have never gotten that radio play because they were never Top 40 charted hits or even Hot 100 charted hits. I couldn't believe how freestyle artists scrambled to change up their music, water it down, and make it more like pop when it was never about that. All that radio cared about was whether a song was a charted hit. An artist could come out with an album, have it be 100% hardcore freestyle, and if it charts, they'll play it all day. An artist could come out with an album, have it be the perfect "cookie cutter" pop album and if it doesn't chart, radio won't even look at it. It continues to amaze me how no one realizes this, not even most of the artists.
 
Kid Heartbreak said:
It continues to amaze me how no one realizes the real reason why freestyle is not on pop radio anymore like back in the day. It never should have gotten spin on these stations like it did at one time. Pop radio uses the "charted hits" formula to determine their play rotation. They don't care whether a song is freestyle, rap, r&b, house, etc. All they care is if the song is a charted hit. Back in the 80s it was a different formula they were using. The CHR formula didn't become prevalent until around 1990. A good most of the freestle songs that got radio play back in the day should have never gotten that radio play because they were never Top 40 charted hits or even Hot 100 charted hits. I couldn't believe how freestyle artists scrambled to change up their music, water it down, and make it more like pop when it was never about that. All that radio cared about was whether a song was a charted hit. An artist could come out with an album, have it be 100% hardcore freestyle, and if it charts, they'll play it all day. An artist could come out with an album, have it be the perfect "cookie cutter" pop album and if it doesn't chart, radio won't even look at it. It continues to amaze me how no one realizes this, not even most of the artists.
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hi my statement came from the stand point of the statement made by luvmesafire.
a couple of things first i worked both at hot 97 and ktu for over 12 years between both i know the dynamics of radio, and why we all got our radio play back in the day. in fact i understand your point of you as well since most of the groups who were not educated in the ways of radio always felt that groups like tka george lamond cynthia were radio darling and had an inside source to get our songs played when it really was that our songs were charting .
the statement from luvmesafire
left me shocked because it seemed too me like why should we bother to support [the music the artist] .
maybe this is not what luvmesafire meant by it maybe it is . but it was an open ended statement which could be taken in many ways.
you are right too this day and age many still are baffled by radio and do anything to catch the musical wave, but its the way it is. originality only get threw once in a blue .
the scramble to change has happen as well you can't blame people for wanting to survive in a fickle musical market,and the cookie cutters out there have most of the bigger hits in all music genres so in a sense we should appauled those who make it more likable.

look at hip hop now soldier boy ? really !!!! yeah i know what you are thinking but it works and is the biggest song on radio period for the past few months . lets used freestyle now cookie cutter adam marano remakes a hit in another genre but does it freestyle and bam hit.do you know how many copies there are of the tears may fall beat? some record labels made the entire career by coping that and other paramount freestyle songs and hit and moderate hit pop out over and over again.

heart break in the end your right radio wont pay attention unless it charts but if no one notices you you won't get a chance to even try to chart

i've told many to make attempts whether my voice fell on death ear i don't know but if we dont throw the dart we can't get a bulls eye not even a miss.
freestyle is not dead but we are not making the records to make enough of a difference thats why i have said its better to take what we did that works and invent something new from what we have.
our influence is out there we are not trying or listening to whats happening around us but r&b has i little of our beats [ciara etc etc] but as many will jump in too reply thats not freestyle but how many definitions does rock and roll have? how many types are there of that and hip hop & jazz .
we never want to embrace change we our to deep in the hole in what it was then what it should be .we ain't going to be the changers or resurrectors of freestyle its going to be some kid in his house on his computer with no preconsieved notions in his head that does but then we will be right there to type away and say no no no thats not freestyle again...
ride the wave enjoy what you love cause we are all gonna miss it once its gone
 
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k7/tka said:
hi my statement came from the stand point of the statement made by luvmesafire.
a couple of things first i worked both at hot 97 and ktu for over 12 years between both i know the dynamics of radio, and why we all got our radio play back in the day. in fact i understand your point of you as well since most of the groups who were not educated in the ways of radio always felt that groups like tka george lamond cynthia were radio darling and had an inside source to get our songs played when it really was that our songs were charting .
the statement from luvmesafire
left me shocked because it seemed too me like why should we bother to support [the music the artist] .
maybe this is not what luvmesafire meant by it maybe it is . but it was an open ended statement which could be taken in many ways.
you are right too this day and age many still are baffled by radio and do anything to catch the musical wave, but its the way it is. originality only get threw once in a blue .
the scramble to change has happen as well you can't blame people for wanting to survive in a fickle musical market,and the cookie cutters out there have most of the bigger hits in all music genres so in a sense we should appauled those who make it more likable.

look at hip hop now soldier boy ? really !!!! yeah i know what you are thinking but it works and is the biggest song on radio period for the past few months . lets used freestyle now cookie cutter adam marano remakes a hit in another genre but does it freestyle and bam hit.do you know how many copies there are of the tears may fall beat? some record labels made the entire career by coping that and other paramount freestyle songs and hit and moderate hit pop out over and over again.

heart break in the end your right radio wont pay attention unless it charts but if no one notices you you won't get a chance to even try to chart

i've told many to make attempts whether my voice fell on death ear i don't know but if we dont throw the dart we can't get a bulls eye not even a miss.
freestyle is not dead but we are not making the records to make enough of a difference thats why i have said its better to take what we did that works and invent something new from what we have.
our influence is out there we are not trying or listening to whats happening around us but r&b has i little of our beats [ciara etc etc] but as many will jump in too reply thats not freestyle but how many definitions does rock and roll have? how many types are there of that and hip hop & jazz .
we never want to embrace change we our to deep in the hole in what it was then what it should be .we ain't going to be the changers or resurrectors of freestyle its going to be some kid in his house on his computer with no preconsieved notions in his head that does but then we will be right there to type away and say no no no thats not freestyle again...
ride the wave enjoy what you love cause we are all gonna miss it once its gone
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I guess what I had said was more out of frustration over certain things in the music game that are so obvious to me but no one else seems to realize or pay attention to. I've been involved in the freestyle game doing mixtapes/CDs here in Chicago for the last 12 years, ever since I was only a teenager. When I first started was when freestyle had just began its slow painful death (not only on radio but on the streets as well). It was all about rap back then. My entire stilo was all Queensbridge gangsta rap (Mobb Deep, Cormega, CNN, Nas, etc.) and Freestyle. I didn't know a whole lot about the history of freestyle or musically what it really was, but I did have an idea that it was related to hip hop in some way. As I got more involved in the music game, I discovered that my initial perception was even more correct than I had ever imagined. Freestyle was Latin Hip Hop on the streets of New York. Freestyle was more closely related to rap than any other genre of music out there. Freestyle is rap's first born, at a time when rap was a lot realer than it is today. All that is really saying something and I became rather dissappointed and very confused as I watched freestyle artists water their music down to make it sound more pop and soft. Freestyle in ultimate reality being a lost aspect of true hip hop had a responsibilty to keep it real to the streets and it failed miserably. In its hopeless scramble to please radio, freestyle lost the streets. Had it kept it real to itself, it would have at least held on to more of its core fan base than it did. That's the reason why freestyle is dead, plain and simple. No one sees it like that except me, but I know I'm right. In no way am I saying that the music can't be diverse, but it has to be done in a certain way. A lot of rap club bangers that came out in the last 4 years are straight up freestyle. Songs like LL Cool J f/ J.Lo, Lloyd "Hit it Shawty", P.Diddy f/ Keysha Cole, Timbaland f/ J.T., Akon f/ Eminem, and the list goes on and on. As far as I'm concerned freestyle did make a comeback and in the illest way, through rap. But no one noticed at least not on any of these freestyle message boards. It seems to me like its more about that "click" stuff (talking about the same old school artists over and over again regardless of whether they're even doing freestyle any more or not). I've met and gotten to hang out with almost every freestyle legend out there except for K7, the one who I probably wanted to talk with the most because I wanted to run some of these ideas by you (one of the creators of this genre), but it never happened. It almost happened at the Freestyle Extravaganza here in Chicago last year, but in between hollaring at girls and playing "male groupie" with the other artists, I wasn't able to catch up with you. I got to speak to the rest of TKA, but not yourself and that was the closest I ever got. I wanted to ask you about the "Forever" album. Please don't take this the wrong way, but at the time it shattered my image of Freestyle music. I didn't grow up in Spanish Harlem back in the 80s. I was a teenager in Chicago during the 90s. I didn't get to live freestyle and witness it the way that you did, so a lot of my perceptions of freestyle are based more on hearsay, historical research, and the actual sound of the music itself. I always wanted to hear it first hand from yourself. What is freestyle? Is it really a lost aspect of true hip hop or is it just some very old pop music? Some times in life you have to understand what was and is before you can truly move forward. If you have the time, check me out at www.myspace.com/kidheartbreakmusic
 
man both k7 and kidheartbrake got deep on this...both you guys made excellent points....

heres my take on it.....both freestyle and hip hop started in the same neighborhoods here in nyc around the same time (although hip hop in its true begining was rhymen over 70s disco/funk/dance beats)late70s and freestyle (although not called freestyle at the time began in the late 70s/early 80s)...both have very similiar and different elements...
But have you ever wondered.....why hip hop has gone so much further then freestyle since they both began?.......Now mind you both began to get popular in the mid to late 80s....at the time freestyle and hip hop was true to its roots which of course were the the streets...and this was an absoulte INCREDIBLE time for both music forms...so much talent and creativity came out but never realy got the true credit it deserverd....now the blacks created hip hop...and the puerto ricans created freestyle.....

Now even during this time mid/late 80s.....when freestyle had ALOT of hits....
we never knew how the artist looked liked? I always wondered back then how all these groups i loved looked like...corina, solid, tonasia, &more, souve,facination, judy torres,tka...etc etc.....since they had no music videos ...Now hip hop at least had video music box a show here in nyc that would play 1 hour a day everyday from 3pm to 4pm and play hip hop videos from boogie down productions/cool g rap/mc shan/big daddy kane/etc etc...

At the time MTV would not play anything from black or latino artist...it was against there policy...all these cd dance complications that were coming out at the time...most of them never had any freestyle on it...now why is that?
I mean freestyle had so many hits in the late 80s early 90s so why wasnt any of these cd dance complications putting a freestyle song on them? why did none of these artist videos every get any tv play?

why? because they were hispanic plain and simple....it was a racist situation then ....and still is a racist situation today...

Now the blacks were having the same problem when it came to hip hop...but they had guys like Russel Simmons step up to the plate and make there voice heard...
Freestyle had no one to step up to the plate and make there voice heard...and thats very unfortnate....
even pop artist of the time...janet jackson, jody watley, taylor dayne..etc..got there music style from freestyle...freestyle was the hotness at that time....and all these pop artist were copying freestyle beats, rhythems, etc etc.....but freestyle was getting little to no credit for all it did at the time and continued doing....why? because they were just looked at as a bunch of puerto ricans....
who never steped up to the plate and made there voice heard and get the credit they deserve when it came to freestyle....or even just music in general....
the music they created was basicaly taken from them...and they were never creadited for it.....sad but true

Look at radio today is completly dominated by Rap and R&B....black stations like hot 97 will never or rarely ever play a artist that is white or latino
yet white stations like 103.5 all they play for the most part is black artist...
why? because blacks realy stuck together and made there voice heard when it came to music..some thing the hispanics did not do when it came to freestyle....

I mean i was just looking at the nu image my space web page...
and i see all these great freestyle artist and producers...mkg, pompeo, mickey garcia, cynthia, dave mendez....etc

yet it seems like nothing is going on the freestyle world...no new music....no new cd singles ...with great accapellas, 8 minute club mixes, bonus beats, dubs
they way they use to back in the 12inch vinyl days....

No new freestyle being created .....radio like KTU is boring repetive and stale....
Seems like everyone says yea i got this coming out i got that coming out...i am working on this that and the other...but theres realy no freestyle out there....nothing realy happening regardless of what these people are saying there doing..at the end nothing comes out......all you hear is yea this project is in the works but in the end the project never materlizes into anything...

At least the house community, trance community has a voice....even though they dont get any radio air play either like freestyle.....at least new house, trance music continues to be made and released on the under ground level.
Freestyle for the most part has nothing......
 
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