OUT WITH NU and IN WITH THE OLD...PLEASE

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I thought the same thing for awhile. But there is some good new stuff out. But freestyle, when it was more popular, had many more acts and hits to choose from. We had much more to choose from. There was a lot of suck records back then too. But now, since it's popularity has taken a nose dive, there's less freestyle to choose from. There's less of a chance for the good freestyle to break.

It also doesn't help that only the most popular old school records make the compilations, which are one of the best of the few methods of freestyle promotion.
 
:sick there is no recipe. some freestyle records came with many lil words, some were dubs.there shouldnt be no limitations on lyrics.

I beg to differ but Freestyle IS a "Style","recipe" or whatever you want to call it, of music. I was not aware that you were such a world renowned "authority" on Freestyle.

the only reason the word new is used in present day freestyle is to identify it from the old school. and this is due to the fact that people as soon as they hear "freestyle" they hear old school in that or think negative thoughts.

Do you hear about "New" classical,rock,jazz,blues etc etc.?? Some genres like rap were given new names like "Hip Hop" in this case.I think that would be best.



FREESTYLE IS FREESTYLE. and when people hear the word FREESTYLE they should think of present day freestyle and present day freestyle people.
NOT ALWAYS OLD SCHOOL.


Freestyle SHOULD just be called as Freestyle. Not always old school...True... but they can't forget about about either.
 
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freejack,

you can think what you want. thats cool.
people have done it for a long time.

but no, im not the world renowned authority on freestyle.
but i know more than the average person. i have to for many reasons.
not only freestyle,but dance music in general.For the same reson people like lewis martinee (known for expose) Oscar llord, (as of 2 weeks ago left the presidency pf sony discos), jellybean benitez, and so manyother icons, companies, artist want me on their side. want me on their team.

when was the last time any of these people came knocking on your door?

for the same reason....there hasnt been one freestyle or dance music publication, be it a website, magazine etc who hasnt ofered me to go write for them.
i declined from many...they know my reasons.

No i am not the world renowenedauthority on freestyle music. some of my friends know more than i do, and some producers or icons also know less about it, but at leats have the experience of going through it at an industry perspective, as i am also doing so today..
We all share somewhat the same mind collective.
but i can promise you something....I WILL BE.

And you can read my columns, shorts,posts whatever on websites and my book that will be out probably later next year.
ill be sure to autograph one for you. (in spanish).

2. Do i hear the word new or anyother name added to rock, jazz R&B etc.

the answer to that is YES. I have heard the term "new" Rock to identify the trends hapening now in rock with the 80's influences and the changes going on in all subgenres of rock music. Even through out time the industry and followings of the bands have named them for specific subgenres. from classic rock, to punk rock, to glam rock, to metal, to alternative rock,ska, rock en espanol, and even the new dance rock or electrorock that is boiling out into the scene.

as far as jazz.......people use the terms neo jazz or acid jazz, to identify the new waves and generations in jazz music. brazilian jazz , ecleptic jazz .....whatever the terms are used and yes just like the classics by coltrain, or taylor.....are jazz and taking it to the new levels and out of its boundaries.

R&B...yes it also uses its new subgenres name to identify ceartain time periods or trends. back a couplke of years..Rhythmic soul to identify the rebirth of electro through r&b rising out of the west coast and atlanta. Hip hop soul inthe early 90's when mary J blige, faith evans first came out, representing that mairage that both became comon again with R&B and hiphop rap in the early 90's.
neo soul...........etc and it is all still R&B.

Hiphop........hiphop was always seen as a culture. inthe early 80's many cultures and subgeners of music.
most comon was the term rap music (as we were Dance music).
it wasnt till later that industry embraced that name as it represented thier many sounds and subgenres as well as its culture.
they needed that to unite eachother and use it as an I.D ,also for marketing puposes.in due time the hip hop that the last generation grew up with is not the same "Hiphop" that this generation is growing with.

we already went through all that and we started off as dance music, then latin hiphop, then latin freestyle, then the industry just stuck with freestyle. other comon names or or trends for the sound were hearthrob, miami dance, trip hop,nu-freestyle/breaks, electro dance..etc
....but its all freestyle.

The industry and the following in general ate content with that name.
The market is contenet with that name. and many feel we shouldnt change it again.
this is another topic and many have their opinions.


well, there is a huge sony discos meeting at the studio. so i habe to let you guys go now.

peace

JONPITO

anymore feel free to call me

305-255-1226
 
oh!, freejack

if im correct...maybe not.

You purchased a teaz II Pleaz cd from detour.

I was with ten lion and manager of the 3rd teaz girls.
I also had to do alot with the last days of teb lion records and reviving material from the previous girls,while promoting the 3rd bunch,along side marlene.
that was then.

Now im also along side Detour today.
Detourrecords and Film.

And will be very involved in many things.

and i still find time to get on line and chat with all of you.

im glad that people are still interested in classic miami latin freestyle artist.especially from companies that worked with me.

thank you.


JONPITO

305-255-1226
 
Re: oh!, freejack

JONPITO said:
if im correct...maybe not.

You purchased a teaz II Pleaz cd from detour.


:lol That's true JonPito and I haven't gotten it yet I don't suppose you can get all nine of the the girls to sign em'. By the way how did you know? :confused
I don't suppose you can have Sequal call me??

😉
 
WELL IT IS SAD THAT THE CD TITLED NEW GENERATION IS OLD GENERATION! SHAME SHAME! ALL MY HOPES ON FREESTYLE COMMING BACK AND MAKING A DIFFERENCE WITH A NEW AND IMPROVED SOUND IS PUT INTO
WILLIE "EYE ][ EYE" RIVERA!! I TRULY THINK AND BELEIVE ALONG WITH MANY, HE WILL BE THE ONE TO HELP FRESTYLE, AND BRING IT BACK TO LIFE!!
 
FrEEjacK00 said:
The reason why New York Freestyle sounds like "old" is because it is following the "recipe" for Freestyle the way writers should..When some here say Ny'ers such as myself need to be exposed to the "New" they are not in full possession of the facts because I myself have heard "new" stuff from all over the country and came to the conclusion that a majority of it sucks.
Just as other forms of music have characteristics that define them so does Freestyle.Disco and it's "cheesy beat" as some mentioned (which by the way opened the door to dance music) had a distinguishing sound that made it what it was..the same is true for Freestyle.I think deep down the term "New" was added because they knew it wasn't even close to what it should be. This whole "New School" movement has made me sick from the first time I heard it mentioned.There is no "Old" "New" or "evolving"....just Freestyle.
For you "evolving" fiends ..why do so many new jamz or those from recent years have that "Planet Rock" beat...you call that "evolving" when it came out over 2 decades ago.

also..as far as old school artist....just cuz they had a hit back then, doesnt mean they are bringing something back when they claim to have new material.

I give everyone the benefit of the doubt and listen to any new material. But I especially pay close attention to "Old School Artists" and have been disappointed just the same as with any newer artist with some of their releases. I'm always looking for those special "New" ones that are far and few in between.
:blah to all who oppose
LISTEN I'M NOT SAYING THAT TODAY'S " NU " FREESTYLE SOUNDS OLD... THE OLD SCHOOL IS THE BEST FREESTYLE THERE EVER WAS !!! WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT IT ALL SOUNDS THE SAME:nyasia SHE'S HOTT !!!😉
 
FrEEjacK00 said:
:sick there is no recipe. some freestyle records came with many lil words, some were dubs.there shouldnt be no limitations on lyrics.

I beg to differ but Freestyle IS a "Style","recipe" or whatever you want to call it, of music. I was not aware that you were such a world renowned "authority" on Freestyle.

the only reason the word new is used in present day freestyle is to identify it from the old school. and this is due to the fact that people as soon as they hear "freestyle" they hear old school in that or think negative thoughts.

Do you hear about "New" classical,rock,jazz,blues etc etc.?? Some genres like rap were given new names like "Hip Hop" in this case.I think that would be best.



FREESTYLE IS FREESTYLE. and when people hear the word FREESTYLE they should think of present day freestyle and present day freestyle people.
NOT ALWAYS OLD SCHOOL.


Freestyle SHOULD just be called as Freestyle. Not always old school...True... but they can't forget about about either.
NEVER FORGET WHERE YOU COME FROM !!! WHEN PEOPLE THINK OF FREESTYLE THEY SHOULD THINK OF DANCE MUSIC NOT RAPPIN' < TALK ABOUT BITING ? >
 
WELL OF COURSE THE OLD SCHOOL FREESTYLE WAS THE BEST THATS CAUSE IT WAS A NEW SOUND BACK THEN JUST LIKE OLD SCHOOL RAP IS BETTER THEN THE CRAP WE HEAR TODAY AND ALSO POP AND ROCK MUSIC OF YESTERDAY WAS WAY BETTER THEN TODAY.ALL THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF MUSIC HAD TO START SOMEWHERE IT WAS ALL CONSIDERED ' NEW SCHOOL' AT ONE POINT. AS THE YEARS GO BY WE ALL TRY TO TAKE THE OLD SOUND AND MAKE IT BETTER, SOMETIMES WE GET GREAT RESULTS SOMETIMES ITS NO IMPROVEMENT......BUT ITS STILL MUSIC AND WHAT ONE PERSON DONT LIKE THE NEXT PERSON WILL SO WHATS THE BIG DEAL........SOME OF THE NU SCHOOL HAVE THE LEGENDS OF THE OLD SCHOOL MAKING THIER MUSIC FOR THEM SO THE OLD SCHOOL SOUND COMES THROUGH BUT HEY I DONT SEE THE PROB WHEN ITS THE OLD SCHOOL SOUND PEEPS LOVE SO MUCH WHAT'S WRONG WITH THE NU SCHOOL BRINGING IN SOME OF THAT OLS SOUND BACK. FROM WHAT IVE BEEN HEARING ON THE RADIO MANY OLD SCHOOL SONGS WHETHER IT BE ROCK, POP, RNB, HOUSE, FREESTYLE, AND LATIN ARE ALL TRYING TO BRING BACK A LITTLE OF THE OLD SCHOOL SOUND AND BEATS......YOU WANT A DIFFERENT SOUND IN FRESTYLE WELL DAG IF WE GO AND DO THAT THEN YALL WANT TO COMPLAIN THATS NOT FREESTYLE....COMMON ALL I KNOW IS WE ARE ALL TRYING OUR BEST TO SHINE....AND IF YALL DONT LIKE THE NU SOUND THEN WHY ARENT YOU GUYS SETTING UP THE STUDIO TIME FOR THE ARTIST AND SHOW US A NEW SOUND.......THE PROOF IS IN THE PUDDING......
 
WELL OF COURSE THE OLD SCHOOL FREESTYLE WAS THE BEST THATS CAUSE IT WAS A NEW SOUND BACK THEN JUST LIKE OLD SCHOOL RAP IS BETTER THEN THE CRAP WE HEAR TODAY AND ALSO POP AND ROCK MUSIC OF YESTERDAY WAS WAY BETTER THEN TODAY.ALL THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF MUSIC HAD TO START SOMEWHERE IT WAS ALL CONSIDERED ' NEW SCHOOL' AT ONE POINT. AS THE YEARS GO BY WE ALL TRY TO TAKE THE OLD SOUND AND MAKE IT BETTER, SOMETIMES WE GET GREAT RESULTS SOMETIMES ITS NO IMPROVEMENT......BUT ITS STILL MUSIC AND WHAT ONE PERSON DONT LIKE THE NEXT PERSON WILL SO WHATS THE BIG DEAL........SOME OF THE NU SCHOOL HAVE THE LEGENDS OF THE OLD SCHOOL MAKING THIER MUSIC FOR THEM SO THE OLD SCHOOL SOUND COMES THROUGH BUT HEY I DONT SEE THE PROB WHEN ITS THE OLD SCHOOL SOUND PEEPS LOVE SO MUCH WHAT'S WRONG WITH THE NU SCHOOL BRINGING IN SOME OF THAT OLD SOUND BACK. FROM WHAT IVE BEEN HEARING ON THE RADIO MANY OLD SCHOOL SONGS WHETHER IT BE ROCK, POP, RNB, HOUSE, FREESTYLE, AND LATIN ARE ALL TRYING TO BRING BACK A LITTLE OF THE OLD SCHOOL SOUND AND BEATS......YOU WANT A DIFFERENT SOUND IN FREESTYLE WELL DAG IF WE GO AND DO THAT THEN YALL WANT TO COMPLAIN THATS NOT FREESTYLE....COMMON ALL I KNOW IS WE ARE ALL TRYING OUR BEST TO SHINE....AND IF YALL DONT LIKE THE NU SOUND THEN WHY ARENT YOU GUYS SETTING UP THE STUDIO TIME FOR THE ARTIST AND SHOW US A NEW SOUND.......THE PROOF IS IN THE PUDDING......
 
Vocally NY artists are the best!!! whats in florida? Looks and nice tans..... Hey its summer there all year long. I do like the music over there better i must admit. I love the new style they are doing.

Lets not get into this old school and new school thing. Cause back in the days when Freestyle was the "IN THING" i loved all the songs. But vocally????? there were alot of bad singers. Not all, but alot. And what sucks is that th4e nu-school gets the blame for the death of freestyle when we are trying to revive it. How could we have killed something that was being done by others???????????
 
(while on tour)

grey,
thank you. for mentioning how some old school legends, pioneers are producing some tracks for new artist and how that old school comes through one way or the other, and seen as a modern way. And the thing is that not everyone recognizes these producers. For example, lewis martinee when he is doing stuff for china doll )dluna. or danny canary doing stuff for india, aurther baker doing stuff for w.i.t...all these new breakfreestyle records and still you dont hear about them or about these producers, cuz alot of people dont know who they are.people dont know the impact they had back then and what they are doing now. it was aloong time ago.
Back then they were on top of things and peopel payed attention. now again they are on top of whats going on and know they are ,as they alighn themselves with a new generation.. but its like now no one wants to look at them. or peeps just dont recognize no more.
they dont recognize the old pioneers, they dont recognize the new pioneers or players. they dont even recoginize anything anymore.
an even if they do, theres no enthusiasm about it.

it is true, Not cuz you cary a new sound means you are hot. i heard alot of nu freestyle break records that suck. i also heard many new old sounding records that are rocking. everyone has their share of duds.

also, in many regions, many already started taking more and more new artist and showing them new sounds and also experimenting in the studio. But one thing that olot of people and companies want to capture is a new generation of singers who are part of the scene, part of whats going on out there right now. not someone who has no clue and has to be tought about undergound club culture in 2003.
it is kinda hard to find that in artist. not only to have talent and a look, but to actually be aware of whats going on in the scenesand have a love for the cultural part of it.

But to show others a new sound, thats up to the djs on the radio and at the clubs. alot of them also build boundaries about what they personaly believe waht is and isnt freestyle and at times may not always be showing ALL the sides to the masses. and later on when a artist croses over to another genre and back, are lost on why such an artist did such a thing and why there is a relationship between two scenes and one sound. But this is totaly another topic, but in the coming months i think it will start hapening.


freejack,
get all 9 memebers to sign it for you.
some of the members havent been seen for years. some have their families and kids and etc and are living a totaly difernet life from back then.some dont even want anything to do with what they did back then. even if i could, i dont.
i have alot of freinds who ask for the same thing. i dont do that for them or for myself. especially if i know that some people get stuff signed by an artist and the sell it on the internet as a collectors.

angie ,one of the members for sequel lives in wpb..yes i got her #,
why would she call you. i mean, cmon.
actually, would you like me to do a story on her (them) and an interview and have all the contact info etc put up so that you and others can talk to her etc.

how do iknow about some things.

JONPITO KNOWS EVERYTHING.

from what you buy, to who you slept with 3 weeks ago.
im exagertaing, but yes, something like that.close enough.



willie valentine:
no one is blaming anyone for the death of Freestyle. no one is blaming anyone for killing anything. the only thing being talked is who is pregressing at this moment. Right now and through the last years it has been miami, orlando, tampa, U.K., california, the south west etc...with a new sound or an old sound turned new again.

Ther is alot in florida besides looks and tans. lots of pioneers that have won multi platinum awards and artist with vocal talent that rose out of miami before you or others even steped up to the mic,opened labels etc.
new york talent comes in many ways and many levels. and yes, everyone sees that new york and many others producers are indeed keeping the freestyle industry alive.
we give you people respect and props on that part. also we see that you all in new york are TRYING. and that means alot.
we all want new york to be what it once was. even if it means a lil tough love from a sister city.
let me be specific...MIAMI.
yeah, its cool what is going on down here and the sounds etc, but once again everything will change again with new trends etc.
We even have a tighter relationship with Europe now then we did with new york back in the day.

But Miami vocalist are some of the best, from Expose, sequel, paris by air, campanyb, nice n wild, tolga, stevie b, trenier, teazIIpleaz, gt, cynthia roundtree, coro (he is originaly from miami), sectret society, olga,rock force,genuin parts,ray guel,will to power, willie waseem, power patrol, wild maries, sasha, sandee, promise circle,erotic exotic, stephanie, and countles others,...who not only had vocal talent, but also jamed with live intruments.
same gose with the previous dacade of disco artist inthe 70s and in the 90s with new freestyle break (triphop) artist and house and trance artist.

TRUE...NOT everyone had talent. and that was true all over...new york, miami, california.....everywhere.

but may i remind.......that for along time around the death of the genre...all eyes were on new york, not miami at that time....alot of new york companies also came down to miami and signed thier artist or their material to companies like hot productions for distribution purposes, who would put out anything, regardless of talent at the time. at times some people would think, just cuz it was on hot, like freestyle of the 80s, that the material from the early 90s was also from miami, it was mostly from the tristate. the rest the freestyle scene and industry at thattime was in the hands of high power records, micmac at its later days,tazmania and the metropilitan monopoly of italo american freestyle labels and artist from the tristate and canada.

Miami was already in the underground rave scene by then. those were not our vocal artist at that time.
the only time miami came back with a huge force again was around 94 and the mid 90s through the underground and rising with a new freestyle sound along the same lines as trance music and cooming out on cutting edge house labels of the moment.
ever since then we are tight with our electro freestyle roots, love and respect the past, but also look to the future.
always looking for new ways and markets to promote freestyle, not only new miami break acts, but ALL freestyle and our freestyle classics.

(at this moment im writing you from Panama rep of panama, who just had the miss universe pageant, and is now in the middle of a new wave of turist hot spoters from all over europe and the us. surfers ravers, modeling etc. 2 days ago i was in costa rica,last years destination. i still have to hit colombia, venesuala, puerto rico and the dominican republic. all this to scan the markets and build bridges to start promoting the freestyle scene again, including some of you new yorkers also.

They love NYASIA over here. They know about and love all the early 80{s electro freestyle classics from john rocca, poul hardcastlle, jellybean, aurther baker...evne the stuff from pet shop boys, depech mode and stuffthat you would hear in freestyle clubs back in the day.
the rave scene here is just like it is in the states, larger love for undergound dance music.
like Europe has a very GLOBAL mentality.

the language everywhere is prodominatly Spanglish.
if things keep developing the way we expected it to.........countries like honduras,costa rica, colombia, venesuala, and the caribean contries will be the new touring circle/ring countries for the next wave of freestyle artist. so it wont only be miami but a whole circle under that. there is so much talent down here, some people already signing to labels like positiva in europe. European companies already scouting and establishing ties here also.
we are doing it to ,but in the name of freestyle.
later will do the same and restructurise the touring ring for europe.

it will take time, but we are at least starting already...in about a year and a halph from now , it will be comon to have freestyle artist from the states tour and throw shows and concert back to back though out europe and the caribean and central and south america.
like a constant circuite. the same way they are doing here with djs, fashion shows etc.....................imagine fever later on throwing a freestyle cruise/concert through the caribean and throwing down shows of freestyle artist at all diferent countries.
or an Artistik records tour etc...whatever).

and it is only going to happen if we all help each other out.

so much is hapening.


in the meantime other things will hapen.....

things that will happen, there will be new beef within new york as pockets of companies and artist will duke it out with each other for turf and positions on who will lead the new generation of new york freestyle and dance artist. (who will outsing other artist at those new york new generation freestyle concerts in july. who will have the bigger event,etc

but down the line, there will be a beef between new york and miami, before the two cities unite again like they did in the 80s.

Miami is prepared for that, and even if new york doesnt throw the first rock, eventually someone from miami will.

new york has a big ego, but miami is a c**t egotistical bitch.

but whatever happens and all that is hapening now...in the long run is all thing that have to happen for the good of the whole freestyle genre and new aliance/community.


For now thats all and peace to all.


JONPITO
in Miami
 
yes, the original are bamby and the twins.(top)
they sang the original i want you. also thats what i like.
there was also thats what i want.

second, mayda,mara (snap what the other ones name,lol),
but mara also kinda sounded like the first chic, so she also went on to sing i want you. were best known for i was the one and i know you know.

3rd was hilda marie and (i forgot the members, but they were only dancers. but hilda was known for the triphop version of games of love. in the 3rd teaz II pleaz album with hilda all songs were re recorded and some new ones were aded.

you wont find that on the greatest hits.Hilda also sounded identical to the vocals on i want you, so she also performed i want you at thier shows.

teaz II pleaz was that whole miami hielea, cuban american princess image that basically reflected the kids in miami at that time. they were one of the first to sing over electro bass miami style, as a female trio.

ok, gota go, cuz this has nothing to do with this post at all.

this post started off as why some freestyle artist got on radio and others didnt.

JONPITO
 
Thanks for all that information and in a short post too!!!!
Actually I think "bamby & the twins" would have been better than Teaz II Pleaz :lol
The sound to " I want you" is a great example of what I like to let others listen to when they ask "What is Freestyle"
Thanks again!!

:sbounce
 
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