OUT WITH NU and IN WITH THE OLD...PLEASE

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I'M LISTENING THE OTHER DAY TO BAD BOYJOE'S LATEST RELEASE, WITH IT YOU GET A BONUS CD ENTITLED FREESTYLE'S NEXT GENERATION
I GAVE IT A LISTEN AND WAS VERY DISAPPOINTED ! IT LITERALLY ALL SOUNDS THE SAME. I HOPE AND PRAY THAT THIS IS NOT THE END FOR FREESTYLE MUSIC. CAUSE IF IT CONTINUES IN THIS DIRECTION I'M AFRAID IT MAY BE.

TKG --> BRING FREESTYLE BACK to LIFE with a NEW DAY...PLEASE ! :georgelam :tka :switch
 
NexBiggStar, thats what a majority of us complained about for a long, long time. the "new" sound just sounds too much like the old and it wont go away! we need to evolve out of it.

Imagine if DISCO was still around with the same ol cheesy beat?
 
I agree, although there are exceptions. There are a very few in the Freestyle industry that can differentiate themselves from the rest and take there music national and international. The ret of artist just can't get it done.

I like some of the New school freestyle, but alot of it has the typical sound and singers that cannot carry a note. Singers that really don't have the talent to make it big.

Anyways, I hope it changes for the sake of Freestyle

Late Simon
 
CORRECTION:

that is prodominantly NEW YORK new freestyle.

new records sounding like old records, so that the FANS wont later bitch that it isnt freestyle.

REAL NU FREESTYLE/Breaks is the cutting edge and more acceptable in music circles globaly.

The "Out with the NU in with the old" mentality and phrase is only going to make it harder for REAL NU generation freestyle break artist.
In the long run it will really piss us off.

but thanks for being Specific.

also....there willbe a bad boi joe mix cd again, with the same format...but from what i was told...and he can back me up here (hmmm,gene)..the next volume will include more electro funk/freestyle classics and more nu freestyle break acts.

Some of the more established freestyle /break acts who are on radio....the companies we deal with WANT THIER % of lisencing fees and are not going to give records for free to compilations, even if it doese promote them.so that is another reason you will not see the best side of REAL nu skool included on a bad boi joe cd.

back to that comp...ther are a few artist that are talented. they are just with the wrong people and with the wrong sound.

also..as far as old school artist....just cuz they had a hit back then, doesnt mean they are bringing somethingback when they claim to have new material.
in this day, it is hard for many to keep up with changing styles and to be accepted by the new orders in all the scenes of dance music.
even they too sometimes have to be modernized and out of a mold.

JONPITO
 
Lets not beat around the bush. Everyone is entitled to there opinion. So it doesn't matter if people get pissed off or not, there maturity level will dictate that. In regards to the talent level, if the talent level was there, don't you think that one of the Bigger labels would be picking up the Nu freestyle groups. I mean I could be way off, but if I new there was real talent out there freestyle ot not ( not to say there aren't any in freestyle) but i would be all over that, why, because it would make me a ton of money. Its all about money, and nothing else. Money talks in all forms of work.

The old school freestyle music back in the day was the most awesome experience. There was quality in the music and production. The same type of quality has to come out of the nu school stuff. its too bad about the licensing, I would love to hear the quality stuff.

Anyways, thats just my opinion, I will listen to nu school to try and get familiar with the groups and new music style they are trying to produce.

Peace

Simon
 
Everyone is entitled to thier opinion. yet the opinions of some are taken more seriusly and respected, due to the fact of their knowledge and above most..experience.
When you start loosing 3k dollar shows or oportunities to get paid for lisencing fees for comps, etc..at the end of the day in numbers you loose out and doese matter who gets pissed off, due to the misrepresentation of a whole scene, when it is only coming from a ceartain region. When artist, labels and producers get fustrated, they walk out of the scene. that is what alot of people have been doing, they come through the freestyle scene, get fustrated with all that they see, they get piched by the cause and affects of others and they walk away. they see no money is really going to get generated.
they then take thier talents to other forms of dance music, not freestyle. On top of that also clean their hands that they had anything to do with the "freestyle" scene.

as far as bigger labels picking up artist, freestyle or not freestyle,
any MATURE person in this industry that has been around, knows that at this point of time is not a time that a record label will be looking to pick up and invest in new artist. For many companies(even some majors) times are slow and they are not willing to take the chance to invest in an artist they dont know will make back whatthey put in to invest,promote,produce etc. many labels already have a line up of the artist/projects they will release from their roster through out the year.

many other labels already have an emotional beliefe in signing artist that are already known or signing /lisencing projects that have prospered over seas. others will sign a artist to develop them and maybe release them in a year from the time they are signed(MAYBE).
And of course some labels will sign an artist or project for tax write offs or to eliminate the competition (a shelfing).

In this time period, even the most talented artist is going to go through some obsticles to get signed,especially if they are starting from scratch or are not known.
yes, MONEY CAN BE MADE WITH A TALENT OF AN ARTIST. but anyone knows that to MAKE money off of something, YOU HAVE TO SPEND MONEY for that something. and right now, SPENDING is somthing the industry is trying to cut back on.

Some things are easier said than done.

far as new school freestyle in all its forms. It is always a good idea to keep an open mind and at least LISTEN to what they have to offer. just because a artist is not signed to a bigger label does not mean they are not talented. there is alot of drama bieng signed to some labels.lots of politics and these days alot of artist rather deal with a deal on a smaller scale, where they have say and control, than to be with a monster label and have no say what so ever.


the construction of the music back inthe day was different,as the producers and architects had a mind collective of many styles of music and always kept an open mind and yearned to be diferent. each had their own style.

in many cases of the generation today...they really dont have that mind colective of diferent styles and genres of music, as they were already inspired for what they saw done, not inspired for what they can do themselves.they had a mentay that if they borrow from another genre or mixed styles that they would be killing freestyle of not keeping it real.In fact borrowing and experimenting was done for many years and many Freestyle anthems came to life due to that. In other cases,some are afraid to take a chance to be unique fear that the money they spent on the project would go to waist due to rejection. And also, alot of the producers who produce todays sound (not everyone) are fans of a ceartain artist from the past and wind up replicating that artist or that artists' sound. others discovered freestyle when it was already at its Passe peak and only imitated what they considered freestyle to be.

many of us, and i can speak for myself and a handfull, where educated and worked directly with the pioneers of freestyle. people who where the builders of the sound. it wont be till later that we will have the chance to finaly prove what we have learned and continue the legacy in several waves within the next couple of years.
It is like a younger underground society of a selective few who will be the ones to pass down not only our experience, but the personal experiences of those who came before us.
This industry has many pockets that work like undergound families.
many have ties that go back decades. Once your in, your in and thenit is your responsability to carry out what you were set out to do.

In due time, you will see that many of the artist you see on that badboi joe cd will evenntually evolve on thier own and develope more.
same with some of the producers. they will play a key role in a new wave that will eventually come from new york in later years.
already there are many positioning themselves to open doors for these people when the time comes.

and it will.


JONPITO
 
OH BOY! ALL I KNOW IS THAT I HAVE TALENT....YALL AINT HEAR MY RANGE YET LOL ASK NAYA SHE KNOWS AND JOHNNY O KNOWS SO DOES MICKEY GARCIA AND NELSON FFWD CRUZ KNOWS TOO....LOL YES IM TOOTING MY OWN HORN LMAOOO....IVE BEEN COMPARED TO A FEW AS FAR AS MY RANGE.....I CAN GO FROM FREESTYLE TO SALSA TO POP TO RNB AND HIP HOP RNB AND NOT TO MANY PEOPLE CAN DO THAT....LOL I KNOW WHERES THE STICK PIN FOR MY HEAD AHAHAHA BUT HEY IVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR A LONG TIME AND ITS TIME I GET MY CHANCE TO SHINE.......

ONE LUV AND GOD BLESS......
 
OH AND ONE MORE THING TALK ABOUT TALENT.....I REMEMBER A FEW OF THE OLD SCHOOL SINGERS THAT HAD PHAT SONGS BUT WHEN YOU SAW THEM LIVE THEY COULDNT SING AHEMMMM SO UMMM LETS NOT TALK ON TALENT CAUSE A LOT OF THEM JUST HAD A CERTAIN LOOK THAT WAS GREAT AT THE TIME AND MAYBE A GOOD SONG BUT LIVE THEY SUCKED.......
 
ya done did it now! ya got Grey all fired up!..LOL you go girl!.. as far as her singing goes the girl is off the freaking hook! I guess she will just have to tear shit on at the show😉
 
Grey ;

LMAo Oh well We cant satisfy everyone taste..
 
Well, Ashley and Grey...I haven't had the opportunity to see you ladies perform live yet, but I am sure from what I've heard on the radio and cds that you are both off the hook live, so I wish you both the best of luck with your up coming performances and hope that I am fortunate enough to see you both peform live some time. Maybe @ at the Mohegan Sun Wolf Den Lounge in Uncasville, CT???? Ashley I remember you saying that you live within a half n hour of that place as do I, so that would be great. I message Sal B about it, and he got back to me a couple days ago saying that he has spoken to the Mohegan Sun Entertainment Dept a couple times so far and said that they have been asking him about some of the artists under him...I sure hope it was Ashley, Grey & Nyasia that's for sure. Sal told me he'd be contacting them again soon, and to stay tuned. 😉
 
Ok, lets get it done than, I want to see freestyle progress just like everyone else. Well, I have to say there is passion in eveyones voice who have posted on this topic, and if that gets you fired up than thats great for everyone involved.

Thanks for the insight Jonpito, you are a true freestyler. I stand corrected.


Take Care
Simon

Peace
 
JONPITO said:
CORRECTION:

that is prodominantly NEW YORK new freestyle.

new records sounding like old records, so that the FANS wont later bitch that it isnt freestyle.
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Wow Jonpito said exactly what I have wanted to say but couldn't put it into words just right. I really do think that those in NY need to be exposed to the new sound of freestyle, not just new freestyle (which sounds like old freestyle). That seems to be the majority of what everyone on this board seems to be hearing/getting exposed to. The Bad Boy Joe CD waas not really a good representation of the new sound of freestyle.
People should take a listen to artists like Angelina (well her first 2 albums anyway), Sharyn Maceren, Alvendia, Rosalinda, Jossette, Damia, Jocelyn Enriquez's 2nd album, Science, M:G, some of Spanish Fly's more recent music like "Running", "Vissions", and stuff like that. And like Jonpito said there is some stuff coming out of Florida.
 
Oh yeah and I'm not really feeling most of the new freestyle with the old sound. And I love my old school freestyle too. But they are just not the same.
 
The reason why New York Freestyle sounds like "old" is because it is following the "recipe" for Freestyle the way writers should..When some here say Ny'ers such as myself need to be exposed to the "New" they are not in full possession of the facts because I myself have heard "new" stuff from all over the country and came to the conclusion that a majority of it sucks.
Just as other forms of music have characteristics that define them so does Freestyle.Disco and it's "cheesy beat" as some mentioned (which by the way opened the door to dance music) had a distinguishing sound that made it what it was..the same is true for Freestyle.I think deep down the term "New" was added because they knew it wasn't even close to what it should be. This whole "New School" movement has made me sick from the first time I heard it mentioned.There is no "Old" "New" or "evolving"....just Freestyle.
For you "evolving" fiends ..why do so many new jamz or those from recent years have that "Planet Rock" beat...you call that "evolving" when it came out over 2 decades ago.

also..as far as old school artist....just cuz they had a hit back then, doesnt mean they are bringing something back when they claim to have new material.

I give everyone the benefit of the doubt and listen to any new material. But I especially pay close attention to "Old School Artists" and have been disappointed just the same as with any newer artist with some of their releases. I'm always looking for those special "New" ones that are far and few in between.
:blah to all who oppose
 
Following A "Recipe" for freestyle as freestyle writers should..

there is no recipe. some freestyle records came with many lil words, some were dubs.there shouldnt be no limitations on lyrics.

str8 up truth..... GET a New keyboard. get a new module, get some new gear and play with it. new york freestyle, and cant say EVERYONE FROM NEW YORK, doesnt sound the way it doese due to the writing or lyrics. ITS THE SOUND.

As far as disco and early freestyle...those "Cheesy" sounds are early prototypes and are not downplayed by purist. In fact we have a respect for them and re sample them and even find em in plenty of electrofreestylebreaks and electro clash records.

as far as disco....it was the blood line for alldance music. but freestyle opened its own doors in the early 80's with electro funk, on its own.

alot of people dont know what really happend in the early 80's,
the "freestyle community" of today excludes it. for the same reason they dont undertand what and how or why things is hapening the freestyle /breaks world.

For many years people have made some awful records overplanet rock beats. Today in the "breaks world" people are using those beats again (without over playing them) to re claim that in the name of electro and bridge back the "Breaks" scene to the freestyle scene.

how ever,You will not see any Nu-frestyle breaks artist at any "freestyle show", due to the fact that the freestyle community is still segregated from that scene.You will find that alot of the "freestyle fans of today and most people on the sites dont know or arent familiar with the new wave of artist, many who also have old school roots. And this is due to the fact that it takes the freestyle media ,websites, mags longer to accept or give covarage to these artist.

the new freestyle show in new york for example.........where are all the new freestyle breaks artist? what new york doesnt have any?
i dont buy that. im sure they have been given a bad time or just dont want to put up with all the DRAMA.

If you had 2 freestyle shows. one with the line ups of the people who will perform at new york "new freestyle" shows during 4th of july (with no disrespect to any of those artist (naya, ashely..you knows i got luv 4 u).....
and a block down you have a show with PLUMET, D'luna the china doll, India, tera sky, KJ from k5, rockell, precious,diana Fox, Robin fox, include freestyle performances from NEW YORKS very own electroclash group W.I.T. (under larry Tee), invite astroline, angelina etc......and any other nu-freestyle/breaks or electro artist who is exposing the present freestyle sound to the masses....

who out of the two shows is on the radio INTERNATIONALY, covered and recognized in respected international media circles and who out of the two shows will fill the floor faster than a free rave.

yet both are freestyle and both Evolve the freestyle sound through dominations of diferent music trends.
evolving means changing the standards,, changing in time at the same time using other "Formulas" or traits that make an ELECTRO freestyle record what it is.

FREESTYLE IS FREESTYLE. and when people hear the word FREESTYLE they should think of present day freestyle and present day freestyle people.
NOT ALWAYS OLD SCHOOL.

if you say "hiphop" today or house music.
people outomaticaly think of Ludicris, missy eliot, nas or victor calderone, thunderpuss, teitso, boris n beck, saed n palash........
not old skool cool moe dee, rapers delight , marshal jeferson n Lnr.

and the "terms/names" of the genres are just as old .
and why should it not be the same for people on the cutting edge of freestyle.?

the only reason the word new is used in present day freestyle is to identify it fromthe old school. and this is due to the fact that people as soon as they hear "freestyle" they hear old school in that or think negative thoughts.

its just an I.D in the time periods. trends within the trends .
evolve means gettin out of the previous step and gettin into the next. at all levels and experimentations.

I am glad to at least see activity in new york, but there is alot that the scene will go through in months to come.
while all this is hapening, more developments will also take place in the world of Freestyle breaks..but in due time....one scene will invade the other or out dominate it raising the other to further develop. its all good.

JONPITO


hmmm i like lil tounges.
 
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