My thoughts on freestyle...

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I agree with CPR that FACE-TO-FACE is always best, but I DO understand that not everyone will be able to make it. How about if we come together and set up some GOTOMEETING.COM conference? They have video, phone and online conference options that would help us include as many people as we can.
The other option I guess is to make this something like the WMC, held every year in Miami. If we do something along those lines... Making it an open forum, elect a FREESTYLE BOARD for speakers as well as a night to SHOWCASE FREESTYLE from every market, then we have some REAL EVENT PLANNING to do, and I for one am FOR IT! Who knows... it can become an ANNUAL EVENT for FREESTYLE ONLY, and THAT would be a step FORWARD

Any suggestions, ideas or comments are certainly welcome... lets make sure this is a POSITIVE thing, not a D*CK MEASURING contest... because we ALL need to get some GROWTH out of this. please excuse the pun...lol
 
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Kid Heartbreak said:
It's like you're on some crusade to prove that I'm not nor was ever any part of the freestyle game. Nigga, you need to exorcise your own mental demons.
If my "order of events" perceptions are correct, I've had a fully licensed CD (Freestyle Amor, 2003) more recently than you have (Freestyle Madness, 1998). I had a 12" release that I put out off of that album (CHI Syle Vinyl EP 2005). I would think that the remixes I did for those tracks alone would be more than anything you've done lately. I almost forgot about that (that's how much different stuff I get into). How many 12" releases have you come out with ever? What is it exactly that you are currently doing for our music other than pursuing you're agenda to belittle others on the internet? Add to the above mentioned all the regular mix CDs that I come out with and I'm far more relevant to the music industry than you are, even more than I realized. I'm wondering why peeps would even want you to be a part of any potential meeting. What is it exactly that is your claim to fame?
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I don't know why you insist on plopping down your resume online every time I write; It doesn't matter what you write for you are irrelevant.

I would like people who have been productively using the markets that they have available to them to be part of this meeting.

BTW

An activist has to actually be active to be an activist;
KHB is just a "tracer"
-chasing Amy
 
CPR Jose Ortiz said:
I don't know why you insist on plopping down your resume online every time I write; It doesn't matter what you write for you are irrelevant.
I would like people who have been productively using the markets that they have available to them to be part of this meeting.
BTW
An activist has to actually be active to be an activist;
KHB is just a "tracer"
-chasing Amy
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Cuz you keep coming at me unprovoked trying to discredit me at every turn. I don't see you talking about anything you've done, just what's wrong with what other's have done.
You a hoe & a b*tch. Yeah, I said it.
 
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taezee said:
saw a few movies on world war 2 ..I googled hitler and.. even saw band of brothers the whole series 3 times...so ill go to the american legion this week and the VA hospital and lecture some of the vets on how WWII really went down....
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Kid Heartbreak said:
You can't do that. You didn't fight in the war. You didn't work in a military hospital. You weren't a part of it in any way. You weren't even alive back then.
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LMAO, I think that was EXACTLY Tae's point.
Meaning you weren't there when Freestyle was hot in the 80's, you weren't into it, you weren't a part of it in any way, (and in your own words got into this music late in the game), therefore, you have "No say". Get it?

He was just trying to explain to you what many on here feel about your views/opinions. Just because you have knowledge on our "war", doesn't mean you can come to our American Legion meeting & lecture us on how it really went down, when YOU weren't there! Comprende? Capiche?

I'm sure Tae would prob agree, but imma use a saying I sarcastically say to my friends & cousins just to mess wit 'em sometimes: "Everyone's entitled to their opinion, but right now, your opinion doesn't count." -lol
 
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You are "tracer".

You take people's drawings and illustrations (MUSIC!) and you go over their designated lines, take credit for them and hack their work. Unlike Banky, you don't add any depth or shade to any of the songs you have stolen.

The only thing you have done is try to make money off of them.

That doesn't make you part of the industry; It makes you the problem!

...and why do you want to be part of our meeting?

According to your statements the music is dead, isn't coming back and you are too busy with your CPA Degree to even participate (LOL!)
 
CPR Jose Ortiz said:
You are "tracer".

You take people's drawings and illustrations (MUSIC!) and you go over their designated lines, take credit for them and hack their work. Unlike Banky, you don't add any depth or shade to any of the songs you have stolen.

The only thing you have done is try to make money off of them.

That doesn't make you part of the industry; It makes you the problem!

...and why do you want to be part of our meeting?

According to your statements the music is dead, isn't coming back and you are too busy with your CPA Degree to even participate (LOL!)
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Nevermind the whole mixing part. There's no skill in that. Anyone could do the blends. Anyone could do the edits. Nevermind that the song is changed up so much that it is transformed into a different thing. Your analogy makes no sense.

Part of the benefit of my CPA is that I do things according to my own schedule. I run my own income tax business. Things usually chill out a bit after May or June.
 
Its been the KHB vs Taezee, Phillip Anthony and now CPR.

I apologize to everyone for I know where this is always going to end and instead of taking the high road I have to correct this clueless contradicting klutz.

No one wants to meet with you Kid.
But if you would like to be considered, please send us your resume!
......Ah never mind! its already on newyorkfreestyle and freestyle.fm
 
maybe i missed something here.ive only seen philip anthony and khb go at it now. i dont understand why you go at this guy so hard.you say he is a non factor....yet i only see you battleing this guy. its like yoour making him be more important than he is.just my 2 cents
 
nomesgustaspagetti said:
maybe i missed something here.ive only seen philip anthony and khb go at it now. i dont understand why you go at this guy so hard.you say he is a non factor....yet i only see you battleing this guy. its like yoour making him be more important than he is.just my 2 cents
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It's been KHB vs. CPR for about a year now. All different threads and subjects but the "feud" continues on.
 
If you think about it,the freestyle community especially online is a great example of how to NOT come together as one. So much bickering and petty irrelevant things we get caught up on. I have been guilty of this myself a few times.

I have never "met" folks who were as passionate as we are about a certain style of music. We just lack direction and FOCUS. Let's come together with solutions.
 
Mixmaster Tony Rocca said:
Of all the recent talk on this forum I wanted to just say a few things.
I am not an artist, however I am going to speak simply as a DJ and a DJ's perspective on this topic.

Here goes...

There have been very valid points said, however most have really not targeted the initial question which I think K was trying to get across. Now I have a high regard for K as an artist and performer in general, but also because he is a person who speaks from the heart about these things with passion.

Now...he deserves his say because I feel that it is simply valid.

Given that my say is this:

K has brought into the forefront, again, a real problem in the music community. But keep in mind, to me all this freestyle music is just dance music..simply music that you hear in the clubs like it has always been. The traditional model for a record to be broken is that it comes from the clubs FIRST, and then would trickle to radio, video and then other medias.

That simple transition model is not there anymore for many reasons, but before we even get to that point we need a record to play in the clubs. Back in the day a producer would bring in a reel to play in the club and see what the reaction would be..to my knowledge I do not know of that model being followed by many, some do, even with the advent of the home studio and so easy to prepare a cd to be tested in a club.

As I am going back to producing music, I will, trust me do what is correct as far as bringing a proper record to market. Given that, that should tell you that I look at projects as a business, yes I love the music, but it is a business first and foremost. If you do not understand that point, you have already lost the battle.

Without ranting on and on, I just want to say that you need to drop this STUPID freestyle moniker and rely on simply coming up with good dance music once again and then follow the proven way to market it. I am not going into how that is done because I am not writing an instructional piece here.

People get smart, get back to the fundamentals and things will start to happen again in the NYC dance music community...and remember NYC was the de facto standard for which dance music emanated to other places all over the world.

Follow the fundamentals, stop these "get rich quick" mentalities and put in the work, if not nothing will change and will only get worse.
Do it properly and things will change and for the better..

Best to all..
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I just re-read this cause at first I sort of glance through it before.

You make some valid points. It's funny that you mentioned about dance songs being brought to clubs to see how they woukd test. I remember in the late 80's and early 90's music that I heard on the live remotes from the clubs on the radio (mostly freestyle and house then) if popular would often end up on regualar rotation 6 months later.

Those days are gone. Clubs instead of breaking songs are in the business of playing whatetever is the flavor of the moment. They mimic what's radio.Not the other way around.

Youtube is what breaks songs into the market now.
 
nomesgustaspagetti said:
maybe i missed something here.ive only seen philip anthony and khb go at it now. i dont understand why you go at this guy so hard.you say he is a non factor....yet i only see you battleing this guy. its like yoour making him be more important than he is.just my 2 cents
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You are completely correct.

He IS a non-factor that tries to pass himself off as A factor.

How can we discuss the issues when the Cornball Kid continues to post his crap-tastic imaginary accomplishments?

What I wrote was that he need not be included in the suggested meeting and he needs to accept that.

He has nothing to bring to the table other than 100 mile per hour mixes that he had no permission putting together in the first place.
 
CPR Jose Ortiz said:
You are completely correct.

He IS a non-factor that tries to pass himself off as A factor.

How can we discuss the issues when the Cornball Kid continues to post his crap-tastic imaginary accomplishments?

What I wrote was that he need not be included in the suggested meeting and he needs to accept that.

He has nothing to bring to the table other than 100 mile per hour mixes that he had no permission putting together in the first place.
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What accomplishment did I post that was my imagination?
 
Wild Style said:
I just re-read this cause at first I sort of glance through it before.
You make some valid points. It's funny that you mentioned about dance songs being brought to clubs to see how they woukd test. I remember in the late 80's and early 90's music that I heard on the live remotes from the clubs on the radio (mostly freestyle and house then) if popular would often end up on regualar rotation 6 months later.
Those days are gone. Clubs instead of breaking songs are in the business of playing whatetever is the flavor of the moment. They mimic what's radio.Not the other way around.
Youtube is what breaks songs into the market now.
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WS..correct. As the clubs of today are run mostly by dipshits who never fathom the correct and proper way to make a club prosper.

Back in the mid to late 80's most of the HOT 103 playlist came from my and Scott Blackwell's record crates. Joel Salkowitz would write down the names of the jams as they were being played..he instantly saw the crowd reaction to a particular cut. That is the proper way to demo dance record. Today Youtube...are you kidding..that is for lazy fucks. Dance music is to be heard in a club where you dance..not on a computer screen where most use it for internet porn.

People need to get straight and do things properly once again or youcan forget about it...all the talk amounts to nothing if people don't get their acts and their head together.

It's about good dance music..f**k freestyle...the idiot that used that term boxed the genre into a corner and killed that sound.

Put together good dance music and the people will come to dance. People stop wanting the easy way out..enough already.
 
Mixmaster Tony Rocca said:
It's about good dance music..f**k freestyle...the idiot that used that term boxed the genre into a corner and killed that sound.
Put together good dance music and the people will come to dance. People stop wanting the easy way out..enough already.
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Finally someone says what's been on my mind for the longest. I totally agree with you.
 
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