late 90s beats like planet soul, jocelyn, rhythmcentric

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ok im curious. my personal opinion BACK THEN was that TO ME fs died after 92, nonexistent no more. except for the odd track like manuella 'dont try to come back to me', lil suzy 'promise me, stevie b 'funky melody' etc.

now when i was djing back then after the techno calmed down a bit, i was really into progressive house. then in 95-96 tracks started coming out like lina santiago feel so good, angelina 'release me & i dont need your love' and planet soul 'set you free' that had a freestyle or electro beat cobined with the house beats and the acidlines. and i really liked it. so anytime i was buying tracks, id be looking for 2ns that had even the tinyest fs break. 8 bars was all it took, it was coming home!

now i always considered this stuff just progressive, not freestyle. i stopped djing in 96 so wasnt really current with what was going on in djland anymore.

was there an actual name for this type of stuff? my cousin and i dubbed it 'progressive-freestyle' so we know what what style of toon were talking about when we go record shopping. or is it simply freestyle.

im a classic fs-er 80s-92, but my cuz has attempted and succeeded on getting me into newer fs. (elissa come back to me & solina anybody out there are my favs now) and there is newer stuff that sounds like authentic freestyle and not an acid track.

so im just wondering what people considered the acid-y kinda half fs half house beats kinda stuff.

thanks, bye
 
well i always considered it "progressive freestyle" that's honestly what i would categorize those records u mentioned. i juss made a CD tonite actually with these traxx:

sharyn maceren, a love divine
tora, seductive love
mg, no one knows
cyberfunk, computer power
lina santiago, just because
savannah, you belong to me
rosalinda, lets find a way
jocelyn enriquez, even if (remix)
crystal, dreams
angelina, we cant go on (lex edit)
precious, precious little fantasy
adriana, forever
rockell, waiting
lil suzy, runaway
subconcious f/sherilyn jones, feeling (airwave mix)
cynthia, if i had the chance
phy, kick boom
planet soul, set u free (wicked mix)


i love progressive freestyle!
 
cool so it is an actual name 'progressive freestyle'.

cynthia, if i had the chance...anybody know if that was released on vinyl. thats a great toon.
 
that track was released on vinyl back in 1998 on TIMBER!/Tommy Boy.....
 
I never referred to those tracks as "progressive Freestyle". I don't think I would use that term either way. Lina Santiago, Angelina, and Nina Lares (I Need Somebody) we're on something different. DJ Juanito was taking things to a whole 'nother level. Unfortunatly, Angelina took another route and Lina took a long break, until recently, from what I hear. Nina Lares, well, I don't know what happened to her. But, "I Need Somebody" and "Call On Me" were definitely two of my favorite tracks.
 
...how i see it, is u have ur "classic", "new school", and your "progresive" cArLiToS WaY...either way it's all JUST FREESTYLE!!!!! blah blah blah

cArLiToS WaY....i mean so do u consider cynthia's "IF I HAD THE CHANCE"...freestyle!??!!?
 
im not gettin gettin excitied...lol
its just interesting to understand how another person feels towards theis topic....but i aint disagreeing with you in any way how u feel is how u feel!!! it's just a friendly debate!
 
I felt the same way. When "Do You Miss Me" first came out, freestyle was not the first thing that I thought about when I heard it. It's clearly house-pop to me. I mean when you think about it, that song is 4 and a half minutes of house music and only the remainding 2 minutes is a bass breakbeat.

As far as Planet Soul goes, I think it's safe to classify "Set U Free" & "Feel The Music" as freestyle. But would "Look Into my Eyes" be considered freestyle just because it has a 2 minute bass break at the end?
 
as for DO U MISS ME...it's originality isn't FREESTYLE....although the FREEFLOOR MIX and lyrically is mos def FREESTYLE,!!!!!!!
 
lex said:
as for DO U MISS ME...it's originality isn't FREESTYLE....although the FREEFLOOR MIX and lyrically is mos def FREESTYLE,!!!!!!!
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Oh yeah, the 'Freefloor mix' I would consider to be freestyle too. The 'Electrobeat version' too.

Lyrics can decide freestyle?
 
well the lyrics are so reminicent of so many freetsyle song...u no with that whole love story thing.....don't u think?
 
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i always thought it was labeled as trip-hop, a lot of my test pressing's on the stuff mentioned above said this on the label
 
"Trip-Hop" was the name Tommy Boy tried to stick to the style. But there was already another emerging style with that name, and the tag never caught on.

I'm always careful not to label any of my own material. "Do You Miss Me" was originally written over a simple house beat (the "3Mix" is close), but I tend to write Freestyle songs, so there it was. Then it went through several remixes, and the version played on the East Coast ended up being an edit of two: Dreamhouse and Freefloor (as MARKLUVZCYNTHIA mentioned). Out here in California, Wild 94.9 played the straight Freefloor Mix, but not until we got the Dreamhouse Mix played on KMEL first and they were forced to jump on the song--and they didn't want to play the same exact thing. Radio.. LOL!

To me, it's all the same song with a different skin. But sometimes the skin in the fun part.

😉
 
GG said:
"Trip-Hop" was the name Tommy Boy tried to stick to the style.

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yeah i was recently going through some records and noticed that no mercy has a couple of 12"s with the "trip-house" remix which is of the stuff were mentioning here.

i agree with MARKLUVZCYNTHIA about how when the stuff came out you wouldnt 1st put a freestyle tag on it. and truthfully i only have recently accepted jocelyn's do you miss me as freestyle. i know it sounds stupid as, hello listen to the damn song, its so clearly fs.

as far as the planet soul stuff, i dont know if i yet can consider them fs. (bless george acosta though for what he did). i think part of it and i should have mentioned it earlier, which may have deluded my opinions was the fact that prior to the commercial success of planet soul set you free, this track was being dropped in the rave scene here therefore underground. and me being all rave oriented (ha, what a joke that was) i went with the flow. i guess thats how i related it to progressive (house) which was huge at the time and wasnt able to see that it could be fs.
 
to answer your question:

While freestyle died on comercial radio...there was always an undergound scene where freestylers would give themselves and surender to the back beats of the records, the dubs and the breaks. around the early 90's even records like lissete melendez's "Together forever" had freestyle dubs on them that would be competitive with the cutting edge underground sound af that time (redzone mix). in miami...the house thing was still booming as for the early trance sound and breaks continued to flourish as did freestyle dubs and electro funk driven electro break records or electro bass records.

despite freestyles death on national radio around the 92 93 period......these style of freestyle records continued to flourish and also merge with other records provided by labels like FFRR carltons "do you dream", who like many "break records, once sped up you would have a fast pased trance and drum n bass sound.

in the florida region..the electro freestyle and bass/break sound was found to all knit nicely within the rave movment especailly orlando and tampa, as also california and the south west. alot of the djs and artist were that of younger latin generations who already were familiar with FREESTYLE sound of the 80s and incorportade that with new sounds that were happening..including the part mutation of freestyle into latin house around that time period.

Europe was also enjoyiong the breaks and infused eurodance and hi nrg records of the mid 90's with break/freestyle remixes of that time. but the term trip hop was a genre with many sub categories.

in reality to describe the records that would be the new electro freestyle coming from miami and california would be within the realm of ACID PHUNK, ELECTRO, TRIP HOP and finally what we call today BREAKs.

(see also material from dj icey,baby anne, dj hardware, space men, etc).

planet soul already existed before 95, but it was 95 that strictly rythm picked it up. k5 "passion" was also from florida and was on kram and was laetr picked up by Robbins. Angelina, jocelyne and the flood of others would redifine the new ELECTRO freestyle sound and created a movmenet for the mid 90's. A new generation of artist, mostly with a latin following, a new freestyle sound mixed with other modern sounds of house and trance.
but the mixture of house and freestle is nothing new..it was always done, even on some early 80's freestyle records. its just new sounding due to the new synthisizers.

it was mostly miami and florida artist along side california artist that suplied the new sound. these days we have alot of european remixes of trance turned into breaks and on top of that electro clash.
but depending on how the way the records are put together...
most of them are new freestyle. it never really died it just continued.

it was mostly in the north east were the freestyle community stayed with either the planet rock driven records or the sound of early 90's freestyle (george lamond sounding records). they never moved on, even today are still somehwat stuck in that frame. but even canada souped up their sounds and came up with some awsome nU-freestyle records.

some people treid to make the new electro/triphop/breaks records like a subgenre of freestyle..but the truth is that its not.it is 100% contemporary freestyle.ON THE FRONT LINES. its the current sound. (that would be like someone today saying that trance and house is a subgenmre under disco, while still giving all the attention and covargare to france joli 20 years later,lol).disco was or its originators were not the front lines battle break through for house, trance whatever, althou we are all still disco rooted.

same as freestyle. oldschool freestyle was not responsible for taking the freestyle electro and breaks sound to the raves and underground clubs. it was a new generation of djs and artist and industry peeps who took the sound and redefined it and implanted it in todays cutting edge underground.

TODAYS freestyle.progresive?...future music will always be more progressive sounding next to classic forms.
its not a subgenre..its modernism.

Today you can still find artist like tera sky,fiori (samantha), robyn fox, k5,dj icey, baby anne, silicone works,astroline still releasing electro break freestyle records. and you can still find artist like nadine renee, george acosta, d'luna the china doll, rockell, and others releasing new sounding freesytle and break records.
you can also find some material from the electro clash scene as str8 up freestyle.

but once again the trend are changing and the name will change again..one thing is for sure..its all is freestyle in its oldest to newest form.

the debate always has existed what to consider these new freestyle break records...but its usually not till years later that it is finaly eccepted. the other thing is that regardles of what its called at the moment..it always goese back to the FREESTYLE sound.Most records at the moment are relying on the classic electro trend turned new..in a year or two it will get tired out and we will see new changes.

but yes, due to lack of suport by the freestyle community of these NEW cutting edge freestyle records and artist,, you would have to go to the electro/breaks and trance sections and look under electro breaks and electro bass, trip hop, acid phunk and electro clash to find the best sides of them all.

all these names are used for marketing puposes only, but also to draw the line between the contemporary and the johnny o' wanabees of yesturyears. real purist know this.

same line, same history, same evolution..its still electro freestyle.


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beatsfromdapast said:
yeah i was recently going through some records and noticed that no mercy has a couple of 12"s with the "trip-house" remix which is of the stuff were mentioning here.

i agree with MARKLUVZCYNTHIA about how when the stuff came out you wouldnt 1st put a freestyle tag on it. and truthfully i only have recently accepted jocelyn's do you miss me as freestyle. i know it sounds stupid as, hello listen to the damn song, its so clearly fs.

as far as the planet soul stuff, i dont know if i yet can consider them fs. (bless george acosta though for what he did). i think part of it and i should have mentioned it earlier, which may have deluded my opinions was the fact that prior to the commercial success of planet soul set you free, this track was being dropped in the rave scene here therefore underground. and me being all rave oriented (ha, what a joke that was) i went with the flow. i guess thats how i related it to progressive (house) which was huge at the time and wasnt able to see that it could be fs.
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George Acosta would be the king of this sound wouldn't he? There were no songs, that I can recall, that sounded like "Set U Free" before it came out. Afterwards, there were a lot of records that followed the same production pattern (house intro to bass, slow down to a hip-hop break, and back to bass-end).

I think the Planet Soul stuff can be justifiably labled as freestyle music because the better parts of the releases, with the exception of "Look Into My Eyes", were freestyle beats.

I remember the No Mercy mixes from their first album. I didn't like the trip-hop mix of "Where Do You Go" too much. The original had so much more energy and soul. The way the verses were cut up kinda irritated me also. lol But do you have the bass version of "Hello, How Are You?". I've looked so hard for that track. It's not even listed in most stores I've been to.
 
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