Is there a relation between Trance and freestyle

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Its been a while I dont post and I just want to say whats up to everyone here, I cant believe how big this site has gotten, mad props to Jack G, and everyone that has contributed to this site.
I have been away from freestyle for a while, I ve been going to clubs in the Boston area, and for the most part they play mostly trance, house, or just plain dance music, and I must admit, I ve gotten into trance a lot, especially in the gay clubs here in boston. And I think that this has been brought up, but since I ve been away, I just want to hear feedback from everyone here that likes trance and freestyle.
For starters I have all of Loui Devitos mixed cds, as a matter of fact he was in the Virgin Megastore here, spinning live, and Dj Tiesto, Paul Oekenfold, and all the big trance djs.
But one thing I noticed a lot is the similarity between vocal trance and freestyle, for one the lyrics and the instruments or keyboards whatever you want to call it sounds alike, plust the lyrics sing about, love and breaking up. Which to me its freestlye influenced

Example:
Lasgo: Something, Alone
Ian Van Dahl: Castles in the Dark, Will I
Diana Fox: Where are you now, strictly hybrid between trance and freestyle
Gigi Dagostino
Paul Oakenfold: Southern Sun DJ Tiesto mix, the break its freestyle beats

Some of Faithless stuff, especially Crazy English Summer (Hive and Hammer mix, has a breakbeat in the middle that sounds like freestyle
4 Strings: Take me away, God I love that song
George Acosta, also has a few tracks that have breakbeats or freestyle elements in sessions that he does
Ariel: Where do we go, also a fav of mine
And I could go on w/ many artist and Djs, but its late, but to make my point freestyle will always be a part of me no matter what, but I cant help it if Boston clubs wont play it.
And I cant help the fact how they sound similar, and I love it, whenever they play anything similiar to freestyle, I am on the dance floor.
Last yr there were a few freestyle artist that were trying to do this: freestyle-trance, or a hybrid- like a (husky and a wolf).
And those artist were Amante Lets get it on, Christine Turner I am lost in love, both hot songs, and a few other artist that right now I cant remember.
And those were hot songs, that I think would ve been accepted in clubs in the US and Europe.
And if anyone knows any artist formerly doing freestyle,that now is into trance, please let me know, (besides Noel and Angel from the Cover Girls).
So does anyone agree w/ me, and if you have any other artist that maybe I have not heard of please let me know..
Again, keep freestyle alive, much love to everyone on this board,
Peace
 
the lyrics (for the trance songs that have lyrics) are almost insych with freestyle's (love, love, love)

many of freestyles greatest artists are or have turned to trance for more ideas in thier new work.
 
I see what you mean & i agree the similarities are there.
 
I think so.....but the Trance stuff goes a little bit more in the Breakbeat direction.........a lot of Asiates (young dj´´s) are making Remixes of the Trance songs.....like Lasgo, Sylver and many more....they also make some Rap-Breakbeat Remixes.
One of my favourites of that kinda Genre is the Breakbeat Remix from
Groove Coverage "God is a girl" It´s awesome.

The songs have influences of Freestyle, too but a little bit more into Breakbaet.....just my Opinion
😉
 
asking if trance and freestyle have a relation or trance and break beat have a relation is the same as asking if hi-nrg and freestyle had a relation.

the answer is yes.

the relation between todays freestyle (breaks) and trance is the same relation as it was 20 something years ago with the relation between freestyle and hi-nrg music.

back in the day, alot of miami records needed to be more energetic for the dance floors that were also flooded with the hi-nrg sound (many nrg records coming from italian producers from europe).
The nrg records shared the same melodies and elements as freestyle, since alot of both styles of records, were bieng produced also in the U.S (miami)by the same producers and bieng spun by the same djs. this leaned more to the club side of things. both also shared lots of notes that were found in classic disco record like "i feel Love" by donna summer.

this was present since the early 80's. the freestyle mix with the nrg..records like magazine 60's "Donkey jote" and would later be more obvious in latin influence nrg records by Fun Fun and and records like "baila bolero". the latin relationship between freestyle and the latin nrg records was also a strong one. miami records that targeted the club where a mixture of electrofunk influences mixed with hi nrg synths and latin percusion.same melodies and harmonies where also shared and used. (loud sirens were added to mixes). you would later hear this alot in treniers material, as for company B. Rock force "i cant hide" Sequel "she dont want you (like i do)" "no one knows, where she goese" by wild maries. I would also include records like "dolce vita" and material from lime, tiger moons "something tells me(this could be the night)", as they all shared the same floor and nrg.

today its the same relation with trance and freestyle/breaks. in miami it has always been here. as far as the early 90's.

labels like nite beat street beat sfp always had both trance and break sides to the records they flooded the undergound with.
example : noel sanger feat beatdown "took my love", planet soul, and many many more (list too long to write).

the bigest example of the relationship between trance and freestyle is robin fox "i see stars". it was one of many few records that flounted the relationship targeting the freestylemarket, breaks market and the trance market. holding the same melodie s and lyrics.(actually i can say the same for many records, but robyn fox it the most recognized after planet soul).

breaks is really electrofunk and freestyle, todays flavor.trance is really todays version of hi-nrg. like yesturyears..many in miami today and who are making and who started the trance movments in miami are also break heads and also grew up alot on freestyle, electro funk and miami bass. miami was one of the largest freestyle city next to new york. therefore the djs spinning and messing with trance are also atracted to the same melodies.subconciously its in their system. but thats just miami.

like all genres there are several types of trance that have nothing to do with a relation to freestyle.
but as far as comercializing records.. you will see the relation more and more.

like those electro freestyle records from the early 80's in miami who needed to pick up their pace to move into clubs...so did the "triphop" records of the early to mid 90's.

thats why we are so close to and also share the trance scene today and it is no big deal to see a freestyle/breaks artist do a trance song or a trance artist from europe have a breaks version.

(this was also done by billy ray martin's "your loving arms". tod terry made the freestyle breaks mix.).

it is no surprize to see freestyle records bieng redone in trance either. that is very pop right now also..look at kelly lorena re doin taylor dayne and "true love never dies".

i hope this sort of help explain somethings...although i wasnt really specific.

there are more examples and i can get into it more deeply..but it will take too long.

im very tired right now (mentaly).

all i can say is history has repeated itself. right under everyones nose. people forgot how it all began. how it all was back in the early 80's.

we freestyle people listend to so many things. hiphop.rap, electro funk, disco, euro(hi-nrg) and we mixed so many things together. we didnt care if it was this or that. we took it all in and danced to it.

withing the early 80's is the relationships and ties between alot of the genres that are now segregated.
its all the same, only the names have changed.
and those who were there, are not always able to be here to remind us.


JONPITO
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Trance music is what house music has evolved to. Breakbeat is what Freestyle has evolved to. There is a big difference. Sometimes you can find elements of trance in some of the newer breakbeat singles out there.
 
Thanks Jon for the explanation, and you are right, everything changed right under our noses, and you are so true on how we segragate everything, I am a freestyle purist, and when it came to accepting newer dance music, I was really biased, but you change w/ the times, and move on, w/out forgetting the past. I would like to see freestyle artist that were popular back in the days, do something like that, but we all know, that when that happens we freestyle purist dont give them the support, instead we criticize and dogg them.
 
I think there is....in fact if you listen to a track called "Suddenly Silently" by Origene the Kay Cee Club Mix, it starts off real trancey then breaks down into freestyle (some peeps may call it breakbeat but u can hear the distinct planet rock sound) then it goes back into trance. Give it a listen. The 2 sounds work well w/ each other.
 
I dunno if its considered freestyle or trance or dance or what but Planet Soul's Set You Free and Sonique's-It Feels So Good, both (to me) sound like a mix of freestyle and trance.trance is my 2nd fav music.
 
Youa re absolutely right.

Also, Trance elements and synth cues are used in many of the recent Canadaian freestyle releases. Freestyle remixes in the breakbeat genre have been pressed for Qu-zar, Alice Deejay, Diana Fox (ford's breaks mix), Ian Van Dahl (Essential Electro mix 12"), Lasgo (Hot tracks remix on Freestyle heaven vol.4)...
 
lil shy girl

it could be considered both house and freestyle breaks.
either way, it doese our communty good. planet soul is more freestyle rooted..out of miami, georgeacosta is cuban andthe lead singer nadine renee is puertorican (not that it matters, but doese follow a ceartain tradition as in freestyle prodominant history both nationalities reflected what was going on in both miami and new york during the freestyle days).(This reflected what was going on now within those comunities within the undergound rave scene).its more symbolic than anything.
planet soul was more house than trance (but had both house and trance remixes), but still along the same lines and the mars mix was actually a suped up version of coros "where r u tonight" beats.
the house sound was more favorable at that time.

it is true..trance derived out of house , this happend alongthe years. but the trance scen is totaly diferent fromthe house scene..although there is a very fine line between both trance and progresive hous records.(trance was further developed more in europe and had a bit of classical and synths that were remade from the early 80's hi nrg and freestyle sound.melodies etc. alot was borowed from the u.s. (house,freestyle,hinrg and electrofunk)it borowed alot. house, evenin its more progresive phaze is rooted to gay club culture.).It is on these dance wher those records are first heard.alot of retro is going on in this scenalso..a backlash to the early 80's new wave and hi nrg records that gay people used to liten to and also poured out of europe.also being mixed with samples and music from the early 80s in the u.s. , including freestyle also)
which is why breaks is also seeping into the progressive house and gay scens..slowly.

the good thing is that trance, wich has replaced the nrg line (house will never be replaced by trance) is side by side with freestyle/breaks, both sharing the same scene.opening doors for comercial success also.

in many markets progressive house is dominating and trance is being seen as a soon to be fad. so alot of the breaks are also showing up in progressive house records as well. and when the comercial trance artist need to change thier sound, they will opt towrds more progeresive house and breaks.(europeans like oakenfold and sasha are already doing this)
progresive house is already been pumping in the bigest gay clubs along with cuircuit records. and breaks and freestyle remakes have pumped out of this scene as well......

...this is important since now both the trance and house world will be all listening to breaks on thier bigest dance floors. they will be forced to accept and listen to the electrofunk and freestyle sound re-invented. a genre they said was not real music and wouldnt last.

i know it can all sound the same and be confusing to you and many others... but whats going on right now in the underground is a good thing. just go out and enjoy the music and leave the fights and philosophies to us in the industry..those of us who will fight to shift the attention back to freestyle.

eitherway..breaks,freestyle, whatever you wana call it..its still here.
we are still here.

i think that alot of people are trying to find thier communities place, their identity in all this mess going on right now.

but one thing freestyle as a community must learn from thier past mistake..is that you shouldnt isolate yourself from the changes in dance music.

its due to that why this comunity is seen as an outcast.
you have to keep and open mind and not forget our opast 25 years. if we dont we wont have another 25 years or anyone to pass it on to.

jonpito

just enjoy the music.
 
bassbump: i agree with you...canadian records have always been up to date with synths on the freestyle records..i can remember this all the way back to the eurodance and hi-nrg records in the mid 90's.
it was canadian freestyle artist who also crossed over from freestyle records during the summer to hi-nrg records during the winter. and hi-nrg records were holding break/freestyle remixes at that time also.

so therwould be no surprise to see the same patern going on right now between freestyle and trance. its awsome to know that..and i hope that in the future we hear more of canadian freestyel artist on the radio in the u.s. canada had some awsome records. some who i prefer over than what was pumping out of the u.s. at sometimes.

budman,

to be honest.. i dont know what to tell you.

The mentality of the freestyle community scares me sometimes. its not the same mentaltiy that we had back in the day. it also shocks me how many people dont really know how we are realeted to everything from hiphop to trance music.

i dont really think that we will see a old school artsit succeed in making a full blown comeback with whats going on.
ive seen it done and they cant keep up. but the truth is that the scene needs a new face, a new attitude, a new person to reflect what is going on in our history at this moment.

it was done with jocelyne enriques a few years ago..it even hit on mtv. but it will be hard.

breaks is a sound right now, the breaks community is also prodominantly still djs with studio vocalist..not performing artist. they go in, do a track, leave and wash their hands.there is no artist development. and the artist doing breaks are not really familiar with the breaks and freestyle culture.there are exceptions.
but there is no love for vocal artist in the breaks scene as there is for the freestyle scene.

and if there was such an artist to come out of the freestyle scene...its true..the first rocks of criticism thrown will be those from the freestyle community..claiming its not freestyle, cuz it didnt come from thier favorite freestyle artist or producer.

but you will see alot of that coming soon.

i am a 100% purist from since back in the early 80's..i was very very young, but very aware. back in the days..if you werent from the bario like from spanish harlem or bronx or miami and you didnt fit the traditional second generation and street latin freestyle culture..you were not considerd freestyle..,as all freestyle artist and prodomintly the people making the music were this. if they were not, they were cool enough to pass.
(just like eminem is cool enough to pass in the black world of rap music).

you had to be real and represent. your background represented all that your following went through. the music you sang reflected what we went through in real life. the music had very hard spanish influences, melodies percusion, and soul.

the only record i can think of and comes to mind is nayobe's "second chance for love". that was very deep. you could feel the pain in here vocal since the first verse "I didnt know what i was doing..."
you could hear the street, you could hear the salsa mixed with the blood and tears. the music consumed you.

most freestyle records were like this, even in its most electro to hi nrg form.

that was purist freestyle..

today you have a mixture of nationalities and cultures that wouldnt understand how it was for us back in the day. when frestyle was the only thing we had to look up to and accepted us as young latins.

today anyone slaps a record together, makes it sound lieka micmac record..puts a pretty face on it and claims it to the gods.
then fights whenever something diferemt comes along or something that will be succesful comes around.

envy. attitude..and all the things freestyle people have come to be known for.
many of them jelouse..due to the fact that outside forces are creating modern freestyle racks so simple and getting on the air..and yet they who have been so loyal to freestyle have not done the same.


but what can you do...so much drama.

for the same reason, thank god i have other genres of dance music to open their arms to me.

but i still stick with freestyle.
 
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