Im Not A Bootlegger

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FR3ESTYLEKING said:
Grrrrrrrr..........

😕 Can anyone tell me If and what DJ has actually paid for the music that they have played!? 😕
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I've paid for every song I've ever played...I bought each and every record I own! The only exception would be the promotional copies that were given free. (obviously they were given free for just that;promotional purposes)

I wish those highly concerned would cut down on the MASS bootlegging involved with downloading/MP3ing. I don't, and never will own, 1 MP3.
 
You know,

Regardless wether a DJ sells his Mix Tapes or Not, it's still a great way to make buzz for an Artist. If a single is "bootlegged" on a MIX Tape and circulated, then it creates a buzz for the Artists CD. Personally, I don't see why you would get mad Mickey if someone takes "a mic mac" track and mixes it onto a cd. It still creates attention to both the label and the whole CD. ANY attention for Freestyle is better than NO attention at all. This industry really aint in the shape to be asking DJ's to pay for tracks. It should be welcomed that there are DJ's still willing to put forth effort into these Mix Tapes. If they have to sell it for $5 bucks a pop to continue their operations, fine. It's cheaper for the labels when it comes to materials, personell, advertising,so on and so forth. I don't agree with selling the whole CD bootleg though. THAT is stealing. But one single that can generate buzz for an album, Thats beneficial.
 
Jason@atomic said:
By the way Rhoq....

Are you finished making that CD for me?

LOL!😉
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Is that the one with all of the Micmac Club Mixes?

LOL - Just kidding Mickey!!!
 
I understand everyone's POV and they are all correct in their own way. There are so many pros and cons to DJ mix tapes/CDs, etc. and this debate could go on forever...
 
You're right Rhoq!

I just feel that with the state that Freestyle is in now. We should encourage the flow of Freestyle Tracks within the Mix Tape Community instead of threatening to take legal action against those keeping Freestyle in the loop. If the state of Freestyle was different, maybe I would have a different opinion.
 
🙂 @ Taz - The bottom line is that Freestyle needs as much exposure and free promotion that it can get. The DJ's (who are often poor, broke and hungrier than the artists themselves) provide this service to the artists, producers and labels...
 
Mickey, I'm with you on this one. I too, do and will continue to, report bootlegers to the RIAA. I've been on raids with the RIAA back in my days at Profile Records. It's not one or two cd's that we're talking about. It's houses/stores/warehouses full of copied cd's. It vans that are parked on the corners that are filled with cd's.

Let's assume that the $5 cd that you just bought was also purchased by others in your city. Say a conservative number like 3 other people in the city buy it. That's $20 a day in your city, doesn't seem like much right. Times that by say 3 cities in your state, most states have at least that many big cities. That's $60, still your saying big deal. Now times that by the 50 states, I'm not even including the other territories here. That's $3,000 a day, ok still pocket change for a label your thinking. But there are 365 days in a year so now that dollar figure is $1,095,000 per year for that one little cd. And that is a very conservative number on a lot of the bootlegs. You can now see why it is important for labels to protect their interests as well as the interests of the artists and songwriters.

As Mickey has stated, if you use a song without permission and clearance then you are stealing not only from the label but from the artist and the song writers as well. You can try to justify it anyway you want too make yourself feel better but the law is the law.

It is different if you aren't charging for the cd but once you ask for money you have become a bootlegger. As for the theory that it's good promotion for the artist and labels, I will disagree. Show me the research that proves your point. Give me an instance where a freestyle artist became a big star because of a mix cd. We haven't had that many big Freestyle stars and none of the ones that I know ever took this route and became successful. I may be wrong but please give me an example.

I'm also amazed that moderators on this board would condone such an illegal act. Jack what is YOUR stance on this?

John Parker
Robbins Entertainment
 
Once again, wasn't a concern back in the day when us DJs were playin your product. Again, it was even given free for promotional purposes. Wether it was thru the radio, the clubs, at a house party OR on a mixed tape, try giving a big THANK YOU. I'd love to see your product go somewhere without a DJs exposure....please 🙄
 
Taz X.T.R. It seems to me that you really believe you know the COPYRIGHT LAWS better than I do. OK

Save your DJ promotion crap for another label that doesn’t know better. If you are selling it, You are STEELING. Find another way to make money. How would you like I go to your house and take your records and sell them weather you like it or not? Well, You’re doing the same thing by Selling what doesn’t belong to you.

Therefore, I know I have to keep an eye out on you and I want you to know that once I see the sales begin from you or any other DJ/Store Bootlegger Etc.,

I will call RIAA in a heartbeat. I am not the only label doing this but WE HAVE TO PUT A STOP TO THIS AND BOOTLEGGING IS A MAJOR REASON THE MUSIC INDUSTRY IS IN THE SHAPE IT'’ IN TODAY in addition to all the DOWNLOADING on the INTERNET!!!

The DJ’s that Make CD’s Tapes or any format of music and is selling it for a profit and not paying the label is plane english STEELING!!!

Maybe I’m being the only one vocal on here but I promise you. It’s happening with many labels out there and John Parker can tell you no different what Cory Robbins, The President of Robbins Ent. Takes the same position I do when it comes to this issue.

Taz X.T.R. You want to make your arguments on the boards? I don’t play that little game. That’s for little kids to do. I do my arguing in a court. We can see what a Judge says… I’m am just here to make a point so I HOPE YOU NOW UNDERSTAND CLEARLY WHAT YOU ARE DOING!!!

If you are steeling/Bootlegging music for a profit, Sleep with one eye open because RIAA will be coming to vist you soon....

To lear more about RIAA..... www.riaa.com

Have a wonderful day,
Mickey Garcia :spin
 
Well said Rhoq!!!!

Mikey you also make very valid points as a label owner!!

Bootlegging an entire CD...lets say one of the Micmac mix volumes...& selling it for profit... BAD!! & not beneficial to the artists we all claim to love, b/c then no one is making the money they should.. as little as it may be.

However, growing up... I lived off of my mix tapes.. I STILL have some of them.. all from neighborhood DJ's. At the time I would NOT have knows half the songs that were out.. or who thses artists were if not the mix tapes.

with shape this genre of music is in (Freestyle).. we could use all the help we can get, especially with so much NEW stuff out.
you all know as well as i do.. the few markets that DO play freestyle.. play all the old stuff.. whihc is great for nostalgia.. BUT not good for a genre trying to stay alive.. or EXPLODE on the scene again.

the only way we're gonna hear guys like Nick Colon, Ahsley, Zoe, Eliissa.. & so on.. is to catch them on a mix tape or CD...

lets take whatever promotion we can...!
 
I don't sell mixes and compolations that I make, I give them away...guess I'm in the clear. 🙂
 
meeeeooooow the claws are out y'all!

im not pro bootlegging, but to prevent it then it should be illegal for companies like maxell, tdk, sony etc to sell blank media (audio cassettes, cdrs, dats, videocassettes) that allows people to make recordings from pre-recorded material.

DIGITAL MUSIC IS what screwed music inc freestyle up, period.
 
jparker said:
As for the theory that it's good promotion for the artist and labels, I will disagree. Show me the research that proves your point. Give me an instance where a freestyle artist became a big star because of a mix cd. We haven't had that many big Freestyle stars and none of the ones that I know ever took this route and became successful. I may be wrong but please give me an example.

I'm also amazed that moderators on this board would condone such an illegal act. Jack what is YOUR stance on this?

John Parker
Robbins Entertainment
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Research.. I doubt much research has been done regarding freestyle & the issue of boot legging. Common sense alone would tell you... if a music genre has no national backing, no HUGE promotion behind it & the majority of labels are independant... IT's going to NEED all the help it can get.
No one is saying they are going to get rich off of 1 song on a mix tape.. because as you said.. I don't think anyone from the freestyle genre has become "rich". the purpose the mix tape does serve.. is getting the "song" out there. in the hands of people who either don't get freestyle where they live.. or are subjected to just hearing TKA & Judy Torres...

The mix tape serves a purpose.. the stance of right & wrong... if you sell it... wrong. if you stick into a mix & people are hearing it... (maybe still legally wrong).. BUT it's a "gift horse"... b/c someone MAY never hear your artist song.. if NOT for the DJ playing.
honestly when was the last time a DJ broke a song & it became a hit.

the second i'd hear a song on mix tape.. if ilied it. my ass was at BRUCKNER RECORDS in the Bronx... asking for the 12inch...
for 2 reasons.. I had to Have it.. it was freestyle.. AND the mix tape didn't have the WHOLE song..

So theory & research.... I don't know..
Common sense of serving a purpose... ABSOLUTELY!
 
Jack are you Stupid or what? How could you go on the board supporting a dam thief? You said to Phillybronx, Excellent point phillybronx. Well said…. What the hell is that???

Jack If this is the way you conduct your web site, Your business, BAN ME and I will not post here anymore.. I don’t do business with people who steel from me or support the thief.

This is my last post on this thread!!! You people steel and I will call RIAA… Plain simple english!!!

have a wonderful day!!!

Mickey Garcia :spin
 
I didn't say I know anything better than YOU Mickey. The truth of the matter is that Freestyle is in absolutley NO STATE to be charging DJ's money to use a track on a Mix Tape. If they sell it for $5 , then fine. It creates attention for the $20 CD's that Labels make money from.

I aint a DJ. I am an A&R Rep for Bring It Entertainment. I speak for those that pump the music out on the street. I am sure you weren't complaining when those mix tapes would bring attention to YOUR property. So I suggest you turn your eye somewhere else.

You brought the debate in the boards by stating your LEGAL stance to DJ SONIC, Now, we are playing "Kiddie Games", LOL. Mickey, there are things you need to open your eyes to. Maybe you might learn something today. Because by you attacking Mix tape DJ's in this manner , knowing that it would help FREESTYLE stay visible in the streets, you hurt the industry itself. you can take that to RIAAA if you want to, but it's the fans that will decide your fate, Mr. Label Owner.🙄
 
Ladies and Gentlemen

it is perfectly clear to me that someone here is ignorant in the way he does business. Now he calls someone who has helped this industry "Stupid". No. it is you Mickey Garcia who are extremly stupid by your words and actions on this board. You want to get banned? I remember when I met you back in Miami , I thought you were a jerk then , now I KNOW you are a Jerk now. Take your crybaby ass back to the hell you like to post because YOU NEVER CARED ABOUT THE FANS. ALL YOU CARE ABOUT IS MAKING MONEY FOR YOUR POCKETS. SO GO AND MAKE YOUR MONEY MICKEY, BECAUSE PLEASING THE FANS IS SOMETHING YOU DON'T DO ANYMORE.
 
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