has freestyle begun to lose it's appeal/connection with latinos?

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i've seemed to notice that over time, it seems that freestyle, which latinos instantly had a connection with seems to be fading. maybe not in all parts of the country. maybe not in new york or san francisco/san jose. but still to a degree. i don't see latinos reacting like they used to to freestyle. back then i think latinos seemed to understand freestyle, the many latin performers behind it and i think there was that connection. but now with radio playing less freestyle, and no tv coverage, it seems like the latinos today have less knowledge that it is music very connected to latinos and a big part of latino music in the past. it seems like today, the younger latino crowd has no idea what the person's nationality that created a freestyle song is. not that it should matter, but i think back years ago, having latinos really know and be a part of freestyle music helped it out to a good degree. anyone agree?
 
i don't agree with that. i know plenty of latinos that with the mere mention of a freestyle song know of it and who is behind the song.and not just the ones that were around back then. alot of them tend to be young too. most saying..."my momz used to play dat all da time". but i think it's obvious that freestyle had it's day in da late 80's early 90's and it's the new music that no longer has the effect it used to. the reason why the connection as u say has faded is because the music itself (along with the quality) has faded.
 
okay, i'm not talking about freestyle's popularity overall or how many latinos in number listen to it. but i have been in clubs with a big latin crowd, alot of them sit through the house, trance, and freestyle. but then a latin house song comes on and they all get up and dance to it. it seems like they feel a connection or familiarness (is that a word?) with the music. latin house instantly has that latin sound that latinos can recognize, but freestyle doesn't have that latin sound.
 
We all say that freestyle will never die, but unless a new trend or style is started it's going to be real tough to put freestyle back on the map like it was years ago. It's just not the same anymore.
 
Maybe the reason behind it is simply this- Boredom. People do tend to get bored with hearing the same thing over and over again and that could definitely be the case. With so much Freestyle out there and wih so many artists trying to break through, why are we still hearing the same !@#$ that was being played like 5-10 years ago? I mean, oldies are definitely goodies, but that's why we have these Old-skool lunch mixes. For that reason. And to the artists that are still playing the same music at every show- give it a rest. Is that all you want to be recognized for? The majority of your fan base have been with you for years, but give US something new to listen to. We look forward to it. REINVENT yourselves.
 
Yeah Carlito that's about right. When Carlos Berrios came out with the new sound everyone started to copy his shit and that just did more damage to the freestyle scene. Record labels just are not going to invest their time and money unless shit changes for the better.
 
Freestyle will NEVER lose it's appeal as far as THIS Puerto Rican goes!!! It is and forever will be apart of my history. Now going back to Carlitos saying that most of Freestyle sounds the same....I agree...sometimes it it doesn't come down to just the quality of the freestyle song...as an individual, i tend to gravitate towards music with words that hit home, so I like freestyle(of course), r&b, and country(PLEASE DON'T PUT A HIT OUT ON ME BECAUSE OF THAT LAST ADMISSION!!!) For example: I LOVE Crying Over You by Soave....but let's be honest.....the singing SUCKS!!! You see what I mean? One mans garbage is another mans treasure, but the garbage(or treasure) wins if enough people are listening
 
History check

I usually keep my mouth shut.

has it begun to lose its appeal/connection with latinos?

its more like IT LOST its connection with latinos many years ago.

since the birth of the freestyle song, latinos have always been involved in the production and the movement (see history of jellybean). In the early 80's street music was R&B, Rap, Electrofunk, and the new dance/disco sound (freestyle).

Most blacks prodominantly opted towards R&B and Rap while a mixed crowd of blacks and prodominant latinos opted for the dance and electrofunk. within this mixture of street music, all genres overlaped aech other as far as musical elements. but the latin percusion and elements were always there (the same as in the previous disco).

The industry separeted and made markets, therfore intime segregating the genres, each going their own way,targeting their own market.

Around the same time, the latinhiphop movment took place and dominated the streets. Hiphopbeats with percusion and latin singers getting recognized. Latin dance artist rapping and singing over their records.

latinos, opening up labels and making it in this industry, gaining respect from the 80's latin second generation. nothing like this was ever seen before.it was like this for many years to come.nobody thought it would end.

In the early 90's, radio pulled the latin freestyle artist off the rotations. prodominantly, latin artist where all stereotyped "Freestyle" and were seen as untalented.

Some record companies saw this, therefore opted to focus on the remaining Italian following from the tristate, philly and canada regions.some even thinking they could please both latins and italians with italian artist.
By the mid 90's freestyle was dominated by prodominantly Italian american and greek artist. but who represented their regions.
this all coming at a time when it was hard for a latino to get on the radio again, meantime all the non latin freestyle artist got on the radio with their planet rock remixes.

The "latin freestyle" generation of the early to late 80's did not feel represented or related to what was going on.They were the ones who controlled the true shiftment of dance on the street and club level.most of the main promoters,djs etc where all latino also. The larger industry and radio closed the doors on latin freestyle artist, so they closed the doors on the new "white" artist singing freestyle over planet rock beats and sometimes releasing bad production with BAD SPANISH VERSIONS OF songs.

It looked cheesy and the music itself lacked street elements and latin musical elements. it was fabricated.On top of all, what became of freestyle had nothing to do with the latinhiphop movement of the mid 80's. it was as if the whole movement, the cause was lost.(even angered alot of people).

the prodominance of the latin freestylers moved to house music, who like disco, held a strong tribal sound. latin house was the next step freestyle artist crossed into, although there is a strong link between the two. records like the bad boy orchestras "Do you wana dance" (aroz con pollo) was a latin freestyle breaks record, at the same time a latin house record.

as time passed, the new generation of clubbers, looked up to the talents of latins in the world of house and underground dance. therefore followed to take part in this genre. but it was mostly also becouse of the music and the freeform and flow the new sound of house had.

other latins opted for rave and still infactuated with beats opted for the breaks scene.

It was in 1995 that latinos would gain back the respect for freestyle and the sound through the breaks scene, when artist like planet soul, nadine renee, elise soto, angelina, jocleyne enriquez (although filipina,helped the breaks movment)and a whole wave of new producers (lots, who where predominantly latinos), invaded club land. they were the new hope for the freestyle sound.
although the breaks scene feeds off of the old skool electro funk and freestyle sound, and prodominated by latins around the florida and california region(alot from florida and miami), it is seen as a mixed crowd.a mixed following.

also to remind many that at the beginning of all this, it was a mixed crowd of many types of people and the first freestyle artist.
the first freestyle vocalist where african american. not latin, not italian.; and what mattered most was the music.

Today the freestyle scene has lost the following of the prodominat new latin generation. in the past years, labels like prymtime, artistic, and many others (buffulo new york also!), have brought in a new generation of new latin artist. this has helped catch attention of a even newer younger latin generation. however...the sound has not changed.

It has only changed in the breaks/freestyle side of things.

unlike other parts of the u.s., new york still has a strong link to hiphop and young latins seem to want to sing R&B instead of dance music. also adding to the fact that the new generation is not being told the TRUe story of freestyle.

the new generation of kids is not bieng told the importance and breakthrough that freestyle artist had in american culture.

today... the media is screaming latin invasion and the latin record comapnies are kneeling down and praising.

everyone forgot about the REAL latin invasion.

the latin invasion from INSIDE the U.s. . the invasion that came out of a ghettoblaster and rose from the ghetto inside the biggest cities of the u.s.
latino americans born and raised here.

not like todays latin pop artist (with the ecception of j-lo,mark anthony, cristina etc.)... fed with silver spoons in their famouse fathers and mothers mansions from latin america and then brought here with help from major labels and Crossed over to the pop market.

The real ground breakers are only recognized within our dance music communities, but the mainstream never understood and will probably have a hard time doing so.

but freestyle lost the voice of the people, but it didnt lose the people's soul. that soul was implanted in a new generation and will rise in a new form. it has already begun outside of new york and out side of this community.

also one more thing... from the beginning, there was always a mixture of people, no matter how large the prodominance of latinos there were. and there was alot of itailan americans in this game also, that helped open so many doors for latinos.

italians like sal abbatiello, joey gardner and the list goese on, who if it wasnt for them and their labels, young latinos would have never had the chance to become what they have become. i know it seems hard for many others to downplay the large invasion of the early 90's by white italian american artist (who represented thier regions,by the way), but at the same time not downplay those who where with this from the beginning and open doors beyond belief.

Freestyle is a very cultural music that many wont understand in many ways. but like all music it is enjoyed and loved by many different people. In the beginning, it was a mixture and what mattered the most was the sound. This issue about cultural and race and freestyle is still contreversial, that many in our industry try to ignore it. at the same time, they wonder why it all went downhill.

im probably skipping so many things that need to be said.

but i guesse the answer to the question "did it lose or losing respect from latins" my answer would be .....it did once upon a time, but now slowly, its gaining it back. not only from a new geneartion of latins, but from a new generation of club heads,djs, promoters and other genres. maybe not in new york...but around the world.

There is one more italian that has opened doors, cuz if it wasnt for him..all these latinos wouldnt be here talking crap today on this site.

"in the beginning there was JACK...jack had a groove

anyway, peace!
 
Hey JONPITO, I truly appreciate your acknowledgement of Italians that were involved in the whole scene (I'm Italian of course lol). You truly know you're history. I put up a little "history" post about a month or two ago on the various cultures involved....Latinos, Italians, blacks, etc... No doubt, Latino/a singers were the main force once it hit full force. As I stated, blacks were a huge part of the foundation. I always thought of freestyle as a multi-cultural thing, but with Latinos/as being the dominant force. I wish freestyle would reintroduce the Latin flavor it once had, as well as the other elements it seems to be missing nowadays. Anyway, before I start babbling, again I thakn you for your intelligent input. You truly know you're UNBIASED history (unlike a certain someone on another board).
 
I have always told artists -the ones that would listen - many forms of advice.

And a lot of it has to do with knowing thier audience, especially during live performances.

I would always hate when artists would get on stage and curse during their performance, especially during an all ages, or under-21 show.

But one thing I would hate the most is when an artist would be on stage in front of a 95% white audience (Italian, Irish, Greek, whatever) and yell out in the break of the song "Where are all my Bouriqas?!? And, "How all my Latinos doin'?" when the might be one Latino in an audience of 200! Talk about limiting your posibilites and alienating a great part of the audience!
 
I agree Jason. There certainly is a mixture at freestyle concerts. I have to say though, I often heard TKA and Coro shout out to Italians as well. However, there are many fans that attend and support other than Latinos and Italians...I feel they alienate as well when they give that single shout out, but it's their stage I guess.
 
that happens at DNA alot. the crowd there is a majority of greeks. the artists know better now to include them as well as the italians when they make thier shout outs.
 
Re: History check

JONPITO said:

There is one more italian that has opened doors, cuz if it wasnt for him..all these latinos wouldnt be here talking crap today on this site.

and another ITALIAN that will bring FREESTYLE to TV!

KENNY GUIDO!
 
but i guesse the answer to the question "did it lose or losing respect from latins" my answer would be .....it did once upon a time, but now slowly, its gaining it back. not only from a new geneartion of latins, but from a new generation of club heads,djs, promoters and other genres. maybe not in new york...but around the world.
i have to disagree a little on this. i think latinos were gaining back that connection in the mid-late 90's when Angelina came out. i am talking from a west coast point of view with this statement, because i know here, many latinos turned to her music, knew she was latina, and how she was involved with the latino community. there was that connection again. but now that the new progressive west coast freestyle has taken a nap for a while, i have seen this "connection" once again disappear.
 
but its over now. i keep hearing the same stuff from family and friends my age......"IT'S SO 80'S".

Hence, we need a NEW NAME for the 2000!
 
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