Founder Of Freestyle

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taezee said:
i was dancing to a new thing called "freestyle" the first time i heard it called that was when "scars of love" and "running" came out..

Im surprised you heard the term that early. I was only living 3 towns away from you at the time and i didnt hear it until 1990! my ex's sister came up to me and says "hey, have you heard about the new music called "freestyle"?

little did she know!!! (and this girl was at the club 24/7!)
 
It was earlier Kenny...I saw some vinyls (don't ask me which ones? LOL)with "Freestyle version" or "Freestyle mix" on them. I think it was around 87. But I'm not sure of the date, so I prefer to say that it was earlier than 1990. LOL.
 
francis said:
It was earlier Kenny...I saw some vinyls (don't ask me which ones? LOL)with "Freestyle version" or "Freestyle mix" on them. I think it was around 87. But I'm not sure of the date, so I prefer to say that it was earlier than 1990. LOL.

Francis, I have seen the term on records as early as 86 but to refer to the "genre" as "freestyle" not until 1990.
 
i remember hearing the term freestyle around '86-'87

at that time in nyc, hot 103 (now hot 97) was playing freestyle music.
back in february of '87, i was at the club "1018s",where
hot 103 was presenting tka. the dj/host from hot 103 referred to them as "freestyle" artists. and of course, tka sang their hits "scars of love", "one way love", and "tears may fall". in fact, they were the reason (as well as the freestyle music being played that night) i went to the club with my girl at the time...lol
on a side note, remember the group "2 puerto ricans, a dominican , and a black man"? they performed their 'house' hit "do it properly" just before tka came on stage.
 
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just like the term "hip-hop" was around for years before it was used to describe "rap" and a culture in the 90's, the term "freestyle" was around but yet to be used accordingly.

does anyone remember when a record had a RAP version and a HIP HOP version on 1 side?
 
HEY KENNY IT WAS ALOT EARLIER THAN 1990 AND 1983. IF YOU INCLUDE THE ARTIST WHO WERE CARRIED OVER INTO THE CLUB ERA WHEN DISCO DIED(HINT)
THAN YOU CAN ALMOST NARROW IT DOWN TO A SPECIFIC TIME. HMMMM? 1980? MAYBE 1979?MAYBE1981? AND THE ANSWER IS???????????
WAS IT A LIVE BAND(HINT).HMMMMM?? WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT TONY BUTLER USING IT AS A TITLE FOR ARTIST ON HIS WORKS? MAYBE???? HMMMMM?
THE REASON FOR THIS IS WE NEED TO STAY TRUE TO OUR ROOTS. SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE WE LOST FOCUSE OF WHAT WE HAVE AND CHANGED IT.BAD MOVE! FREESTRYLE HAS SUFFERED SINCE. WE NEED TO GO BACK TO OUR ROOTS AND MAKE GOOD MUSIC WITH ROCKING VOCALS. I AM DOING MY PART. WHO IS DOING THEIRS? SO WHO COINED THE TERM FREESTYLE?
 
Unfortunately, today's youth or music fans don't associate the word freestyle with the music as we know it. It has been labeled a form of RAP Style. It still amazes me when I play a song and someone comes up to me asking if This was just released cause they never heard it before and the one who have, have only heard it in its basic form.

Play It Loud
Play It Proud!!!!!
 
YOU CAN ALMOST NARROW IT DOWN TO A SPECIFIC TIME. HMMMM? 1980? MAYBE 1979?MAYBE1981? AND THE ANSWER IS???????????
WAS IT A LIVE BAND(HINT).HMMMMM?? WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT TONY BUTLER USING IT AS A TITLE FOR ARTIST ON HIS WORKS? MAYBE???? HMMMMM?


OMG...LOL... U ARE SUCH A TEASE........COME ON SPIT IT OUT..LOL... :nahnah :drool LOL.....

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM, DOES 1981 SOUND GOOD 2 U...:shakinboo LOL...HEY MR. DJLEGEND, LET US KNOW....LETS US KNOW SOON..
 
1979? 1980? c'mon...this thread goes nowhere. You confuse everything if you think like that. 🙂

"The term of Freestyle": that means who used the term for the 1st time or when it has been put on a vinyl to define a mix, for instance???
Personally, I don't know and I'm not sure that someone does. Even the DJs and producers from the Eighties don't know. I asked them this question many times...no answer!

I think that this term has been used (by the DJs & Producers first) in the mid-80's (85 or 86) for the 1st time but I really don't know which year it was exactly.

So, in my opinion, this is a question that will remain without answer.
Just my opinion. 😉

Do you know why the term or the style "Freestyle " is not available in any official musical dictionnaries??? Last year, I checked all the professional music dictionnaries (French & English). None of the dictionaries I checked has the term "Freestyle" (to define our music). Weird, isn't it? Don't you think?
Sometimes, I saw the word but it was for define Rap/Hip-Hop as Freestyle.

So...
 
YOU WANT THE TRUTH? YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!
NO MATTER WHAT THE ANSWER, IT WILL ALWAYS BE CONTRADICTED BY OPINIONS FROM WHOEVER THINKS THEY HAVE THE ANSWER BUT, IT IS SIMPLE BECAUSE ONLY ONE GROUP WAS PLAYED BACK THEN(IN THE CLUBS AND RADIO).THINK EARLY EIGHTIES????????????? AND THEY ARE STILL PLAYED TODAY ON RADIO AND IN CLUBS.
 
So...

Is it a riddle???

Who is the founder, and what year the term "Freestyle" was used for the 1st time??? This is what it's interesting, don't you think???

It's not a question of truth, just a question of fact...😉
 
hi how you doing

i dont know who started it but i rem when i first heard it. It was

86 or 87. and heard it on the radio being called that. before it was

just "club" music.


either way you could prob trace it back to a d.j. who did it.

i have to admit i didnt like the term at first cause it sounded to

mainstream. but then it stuck later on.


ray
 
Any and all Freestyle artists should claim a stake in the term "Freestyle"...due to all the promoters and dispicable label management who expected the artists to continually perform for "FREE"...

Jellybean (for the Madonna sound, "Sidewalk Talk", "Everybody"...)
Arthur Baker (for Nayobe)
Chris Barbosa/Mark Liggett (for Shannon)
Sal Abbatiello (for the Fever/Devil's Nest)
Whoever at Vanguard Records (for Alisha)

Harv
 
THERE WAS A GROUP IN NY WHO PERFORMED LIVE AND WAS QUOTED AS SAYING
"WE GONNA HIT THIS NEXT SONG FREESTYLE" . SOUNDS STUPID BUT, THEY DID! THEN THERE WAS A RADIO DJ IN FLORIDA WHO WAS QUOTED AS SAYING
"THIS NEXT SONG IS BY FREESTYLE AND WAS KNOWN FOR SAYING THIS IS FREESTYTLE'S MUSIC". A LOT OF SONGS THAT FOLLOWED THIS SOUND GOT BRANDED THE FREESTYLE MUSIC NAME! SOUNDS STUPID??? RIGHT!!!!:confused
 
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I wasnt going to get into this.......

this actual post was over in page one. and in a way everybody is right if you all put your heads together.

The question to this post was who coined or popularized the term "Freestyle".

The sole person Who popularized the term freestyle was Pretty Tony butler. The group freestyle express in the early 80's, who like many at the time messed around and created both electro funk and rap records. IN miami, the new form of hiphop wAs also bieng formed, electro bass.(later known as miami bass, hiphop bass, or later booty music when vulgur words where added).

later known as just FREESTYLE, the groups song "dont stop the rock" became quickly an anthem for what was going on in miami at the time.

Miami music of the 80;s is way more complex than the development going on in new york. Although new york had alot of electro funk and shanonesque records (electrofunk vocal dance and R&B records), Miami also had its share of artist in the early 80's.....connie, debbie deb, cynthia roundtree, the early expose, sequel (its not to late),copmany b (jam on me).
The songs where called dance records, due to the fact that the name wasnt decided umong the community as a genres name.
Truth was that it was early 80's miami electro freestyle.

many of these records, where released and known in the miami region, and later re released or re -distributed due to the popularity.till this day have not died out.

Miami mastered 3 types of "freestyle music".....Electronic, "traditional" (what new york would be known for) and more high NRG. At many times all styles would overlap with each other and over lap with the previous electro funk records. also they would over lap with the Rap records coming out of new york and the new electro bass coming from miami at that time.

Miami, like new york, also was a major Disco capitol in the 70's.......alot of 70's influences also were used in developing the miami sound. many producers of freestyle in miami where also djs and involved in the industry in the 70's. Alot of the producers in Miami where cuban or hailed from the caribean, alot of the producers of Miami bass had jamiacan or hatian backgrounds as well. So all this was used to blend what is known as the "MIAMI sound.
It was very street.....following the same patterns of vocalist singing over electro hiphop beats.
like rap artist, they too also Freestyled love ballads over the beats, as did many young artist in new york.
it was comon for alot of artist to both sing and rap over the beats.

artist were also known to be around live bands and also were known to Freestyle a song or rap with the band on stage in front of everyone. at times as a jam sesion, without sitting and woring about being comped.so yes, many artist did throw free shows to intoduce themselves and promote themselves...but alot also threw many live jamm sessions with local new wave rock bands or funk band, as they did in the 70's following the footsteps of bands like George clinton's.

In miami the sound was around for a while and it would later in some instances take people like gloria estefan to popularize that sound of the miami streets globaly, as she poped the early miami freestyle sound through the miami sound machine and their hit "dr.beat". (although not considered a "freestyle record", freestyle is where alot of its influneces came from).

IN the period of 1983-1989, freestyle went through so many names to describe each sound or styles or trend.

but the popularity really came when in the late 80's FReestyle's "dontstop the rock" re-popularized itself.
the 3 most pop terms for the music were dance (everything), latinhiphop (refering to new york pop traditional) , and miami dance.

when "dont stop the rock" played again and again, what it was actually doing was uniting a bridege between all styles of what later will be known as freestyle music. the electro sound that pretty tony popularized bridged all styles of miami music together, as well as the following of the market.

New york records and traditional records, like many know did have lower keys and also refered to love or reflected everyday life situations. thaye at the time were more darker and undergound.
Miami records were more upbeat and joyfull, more higher keys and also refered more to having a good time with music and life or talked about passion,heat and sex. some miami records also became bridges to Hi NRG records popularized by European artist...same as breaks and trance artist and records in Miami do today.

the lyrics of Freestyles "dont stop the rock" became the anthem for the miami scene............it was all hielea and liberty city music.
the lyrics were refering to the group itself, but somehwat people coined it as the name of the whole music form and style they were listening to. it became the name for the whole scene, in the street or in the club or in its electro form. Freestyle had replaced the name of both what was once the line of electrofunk and latinhiphop records.

" FREESTYLE's KICKING IN THE HOUSE TONIGHT, SO MOVE YOUR BODY FROM LEFT TO RIGHT. TO ALL YOU FREESTYLE FREAKS DONT STOP THE ROCK, THIS FREESTYLES KICKING AND YOU KNOW ITS RIGHT".

It was the sound of skating rinks and open air concerts, lowrider monte carlos and Big Gold st Lazaro or caridad del cobre medalions.

Dont stop the rock refered to the body rocking and webo dancing that the breakers were known for years earlier.
The term refered to many diferent things that went on in "freestyle" or latin hiphop culture and over laped with hiphop (rap) culture.
Or can i refrase that as hiphop music of the early eighties was a form made out of many music forms, cultural influences, and art forms of the previous early 80's years.
The elements of hip hop: djing, dancing,dress, graph and cars
go way back beyond 1973, and has since then mutated in many diferent forms.
But the "freestyle" community was very street driven and orineted, just like R&B is street rooted today. the only diference is that we are club music/dance music. And for the same reason many related to that.
It was an ode also to the Freestyle form of dancing, the free form of lyrics rap or song over the beats, the free form of art/graph, the free form of MIXING DJS and how they would jump and mix everything under the lines of jazz, to funk, to disco, to rock tothe BREAKS and the Beats. FUNK SOUL SALSA and R&B. Electrofunk, Freestyle and R&B.
UNITING THE CLUB and street under one groove and having everyone WALKING UNDER SUNSHINE.


TRUE: although the "freestyle" term has been used through out the years..........IT wasnt till after 1989 that the INdustry coined it as a marketing name to cultivate a more mainstream following and sell thier units of compliations and single releases and albums.

But the true origins,although are forgoten, they are still alive and remebered on the street (old skool) and actually still practiced.

Yes, other generations from other genres have used the name to identify something with meaning to them......but "freestyle as a community also has to rediscover its origins and stick with it....we had the phrase first.


Although we are on this topic now..........this knowledge has been known and never forgoten in the miami scene.
as we evolved withing time it has been pased down to generatiuon to genration. as a culture doese.
as african bambata also evolved and continued doing techno records and fathers tought their sons or uncles tought thier nephews how to pop and lock..................in the 90's is when we all started rising again through the rave scene.

The cultural traits are still there and is still undergound, even from the "freestyle" scene its self.

The re birth of the electro freestyle sound came around the mid 1990s with the new Miami freestyle uprising from the new generetaion of latin djs and artist (george acosta, nadine renee, the torres brothers,Elise sotto,samantha (aka fiori) angelina,lina santiago) . also from the west coast.
It was the mixture of latin house,trance and the new freestyle (aka trip hop and now breaks)responsible for this wave,As a new generation showed the doubting industry that "FREESTYLE" people master more than one style of music.

When records like dj booms "To the top" hit loud.
the Freestyle industry was the first to downplay the sound and the whole "triphop" movement. yet they did not recognize the "its outomatic" freestyle beat mixed with new electro and references to the classic "play at your own risk". Nor did they recognize or accept the planet soul's mars mix where a souped up coros "where are you tonight" beat is used over ambient synths.

Today the tradition continues with artist like plumet, firoi, d'luna (chinadoll), and many others. the history and knowledge is now being passed to the new generation of freestylers crossing back along with a new generation of followers crossing the bridge from the undergound house and deteriorating trance scene.
Meanwhile..on onother bridge....the Electroclash scene has become our alie in our new freestyle breaks scene.

THE SPIRIT OF DISCO, KRAFTWERK, GEORGE CLINTON, JAMES BROWN, SALSA and JAZZ GAVE US THE EARLY SOUND.
AURTHER BAKER,BAMBATA, JOHN ROCCA, JELLYBEAN, THE LATIN RASCALS, CHRIS BARBOSA GAVE US THE BLUE PRINT.
MARTINEE, THE LATIN RASCALS, JELLYBEAN, AbATIELO AND GARDNER
GAVE US THE SOUL and the CUASE of a REVOLUTION.

BUT PRETTY TONY BUTLER WAS THE MAN WHO COINED AND POPULARIZED
THE TERM "FREESTYLE".


JONPITO

im out of here!
 
KENNY GUIDO said:
Im surprised you heard the term that early. I was only living 3 towns away from you at the time and i didnt hear it until 1990! my ex's sister came up to me and says "hey, have you heard about the new music called "freestyle"?

little did she know!!! (and this girl was at the club 24/7!)


I know it was around 85 86 that i knew of "FREESTYLE" while i was in the navy.. I was a dj for the on base club (portsmouth naval hospital) and wednsday nights i had "a taste of the big apple" night..where all i played was freestyle..soon me and all my boys from new york migrated off base and turned a country western club into a freestyle club..(it was called THE BUTTERFIELD STAGE )im talkin real country with sawdust on the floor and everything..men wearing cowboy hats..we began to go there at first and sit and drink and laugh at all the "hicks"..it was so boring in virginia that me and my friends would drive up to new york on the weekends to go to the new york clubs..and buy freestyle music..i soon started bringing these records to the club,,i remember the first night i convinced the dj to throw on a record..the whole night the dance floor was empty..with all the country being played..the song was lisa lisa.."i wonder if i take you home"..next thing you know the dance floor was ful!!! when the dj saw this he asked me to get the crate i had in my car of twelve inch records and the rest of the night was freestyle!! the second song spun was scars of love!! two weeks later the owner had the dance floor ripped up and put in on of those light dance floors like in saturday night fever..and a big disco ball and all the lighting..and freestyle was all that was played!! and me and 10 other guys from new york became the PPC!! (portsmouth party crew) we put together dance routines and we were the shit!!! the women went crazy over us..im sorry it sounds arrogant but dam we were bad!!!we were like local celeberties!!! we started going to other clubs and doing the same thing..we were famous!! the djs would announce us "ladies and gentleman the PPC is in the house!!!"😛 we bought freestyle to virgina way back in 86..thats a fact.one night we did the same thing at a club called THE BIG APPLE..it was an r&B and rap club..we were the only non blacks in the club and the local brothers got mad becuase all the women were at our table..that was a scary night..we got into a big fight..and as we were leaving some guys started shooting at us!! i felt a bullet whiz by my ear so close i felt the heat of the bullet another bullet hit my car..we never went back..decided to stick with the butterfield stage..were they played freestyle without the bullets!! so i know for a fact frestyle was the term then..i almost caught one in the head because of freestyle😉 !!
 
Everybody knows that the founder of Electro was indirectly the Disco/Electro German band Kraftwerk. This band is certainly responsible of many forms of Dance music.

After Kraftwerk, the first form of Freestyle was Electro Funk (also named Electro Hip-Hop) Planet Patrol, Afrika Bambaataa, Freestyle Express, etc.) and now named Electro Freestyle (mostly for the German stuffs as for instance Freestyle Projects & Flying Steps' groups). At almost the same time (this is why we need the real release dates) other forms of Freestyle was born too: Miami Sound & Latin Hip-Hop (also called Hearthrob).
Many people said that it was Tony Butler. Yeah, why not? But in 1983 other producers/remixers appears on the Freestyle scene: Arthur Baker/John Robie who were the producers of Afrika Bambaataa with "Planet Rock", the 1st Electro Funk single released on Tommy Boy in 1983. For those, who don't know this single from Afrika Bambaataa was containing the sample of Kraftwerk's hit "Trans Europe Express". This is why I said that Kraftwerk is undeniably the founder of Freestyle, or of Electro for those who don’t put this musical genre as a Freestyle one.
But the same year, those producers also released the hit from Freeez: "I.O.U." on Street Wise Records. John "Jellybean" Benitez was also involved on this project as a mixer.
In 1983, two other producers appeared on the Freestyle scene too: Chris Barbosa & Mark Liggett with their hit "Let the music play" by Shannon (on Emergency Records). Nelson "FFWD" Cruz was also involved as a mixer.

At this time, I was a teenager and honestly I wasn't following the music as today. So, I don't remember exactly which of these hits was released first. One thing is sure, all those singles received heavy rotations in clubs and on radio stations from all around the world...in 1983.

So, after all these facts, my question is simple: Which song from this list was released the first?

Afrika Bambaataa: "Planet Rock" Tommy Boy Records
Freestyle Express: "Freestyle" Music Specialists
Freeez: "I.O.U" Street Wise" Records
Shannon: "Let the music play" Emergency Records

After someone will determinate with certitude which record was released the first...you will have named the founder (s) of Freestyle. Very simple, isn’t it?

As far concern the term "Freestyle", I will need to check each record of my collection and it will take me days…and honestly, I don’t have the time for this right now. I’m staying on my position, the term has been used for the first time certainly in 1986 or in 1987.

Hope that helps for our nice debate and conversation. This is the main goal of this thread. 😉

Francis
 
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