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I just spun the extended mix on the 12" along with other slower tempo freestyle songs...... and I tried real hard to think it's not freestyle....... it just plain is....... 🙂
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Kenny Guido
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nah, SEITZ!
I was at the gas station the other day and it was being blasted on the radio (along with OTHER SLOW SONGS) and I nor anyone else there got in the mood to DANCE!
once you slow the tempo, it aint FREESTYLE ANYMORE.
I was at the gas station the other day and it was being blasted on the radio (along with OTHER SLOW SONGS) and I nor anyone else there got in the mood to DANCE!
once you slow the tempo, it aint FREESTYLE ANYMORE.
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you guys consider "Don't U Want Me" Jody Watley........ or....... "I Can't Wait" Nu Shooz freestyle???????
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Vinss-T
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don't u want me.. i think it should be freestyle. it's just the artist that isn't really freestyle-ish i guess. but i can't wait doesn't sound like freestyle.
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heard it while at the gym today!!!!!!!!! 🙂
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well to me let me be the one by expose is like louder than love by tka both r good i love them dont care if its slow or not just remember both artists r into the freestyle scene nahmean?
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I never considered Linear's "Sending all my love" FREESTYLE. Too slow of a beat. PLUS, it was never including in any FREESTYLE comps, which fuels my theory.
"LOUDER THAN LOVE" is faster and is FREESTYLE and has been included on many comps.
"LOUDER THAN LOVE" is faster and is FREESTYLE and has been included on many comps.
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Kenny Guido- "Sending All My Love" was featured on a Freestyle compilation, along with Debbie Deb, Sweet Sensation, Chrissy Ieece, Giggles, Shannon, Corina, Yvonne, and a few others. I'm not home right now so I can't give you the album title, sorry.
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Cynthia was on that compilation as well. However, that song by Lineat annoys me. I never really liked it.
Kenny Guido
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LOL Carlito!!!
I think it was the LONG HAIR that killed it!! (reminds me of the guy that ANDREW DICE CLAY ragged out in his movie!)
I think it was the LONG HAIR that killed it!! (reminds me of the guy that ANDREW DICE CLAY ragged out in his movie!)
Surely freestyle has evolved so much that it is an established genre, of a variety of tempos. So if
For example:
Rock music was considered loud & mid to up-tempo but has evolved to include rock ballads. Who would have thought Rap/hip hop would have great ballads, but it does. Raggae has up & low tempo tunes, known as Ragga & lovers rock(u.k. title). Basically all genres are blending together.
Let me ask you this, why can't there be a freestyle ballad? A good vocalist should be able to sing at any tempo. Beside freestyle artist/fans have feelings too.
For example:
Rock music was considered loud & mid to up-tempo but has evolved to include rock ballads. Who would have thought Rap/hip hop would have great ballads, but it does. Raggae has up & low tempo tunes, known as Ragga & lovers rock(u.k. title). Basically all genres are blending together.
Let me ask you this, why can't there be a freestyle ballad? A good vocalist should be able to sing at any tempo. Beside freestyle artist/fans have feelings too.
JONPITO
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YO!!!!!!
didnt we already go through this same topic like some months ago.?
i work with lewis martinee everyday and i asked him the same question a long time ago.(for those of you who dont know who that is, he was the creator of expose, had the erotic exotic band as the back up band before they went solo. was involved with techno lust who had that classic "woman". had his early 80group sequel burn up the club floors before the rest of the trios flourished. worked and produced groups as olga, paris by air, wild maries, voice n fashion and a whole mess of other artist from miami that became pop around the world of 80's club music).
his answer was.."that all those expose song were FREESTYLE songs. he just slowed down the tempo on some of them and with others created ballads".
those songs are FReestyle ballads.
"come into my arms" by judy torres was originally a ballad, but was sped up and released as a freestyle track.
there are diferent forms of freestyle.some slow some fast. some more street some more club. some more traditional others more electronic,others may be street driven (hiphop n Rnb influenced). alot of records also overlaped other genres.some overlaped from rap and R&B others overlaped to pop and Rock formats (usually spilling into the new wave and alternative scene). also alot of freestyle records came from bands or artist from other genres.
the awsome thing about freestyle always was that all the records were diferent and had diferent falvors to them, in hands of those who created them.
we didnt "label" everything that came out back then. we didnt have "BPM" STANDARDS. we didnt limit our sound or limit of what a freestyle artist was capable of.
for the same reason we had diferent waves of styles and trends from difenet regions and had longevety for the genre for many many years.
all this mentality of being creative was lost, as uneducated fans turned into producers and started limiting themselves with only what they knew. thats why in the freestyle of the 90's or in other cases may i add the traditional freestyle form coming from the tri-state area,..really hasnt made any major progress. everyone is to busy to trying not to go outside of "Standards" that were established by others who were not even in the freestyle/latin hiphop scene prior to 1988.Others are just to scared to take chances against the opinions of a few fans.
"i cant wait" by nu shooz was an awsome latin hiphop and club record of the early 80's period. as was "donkey jote" by magazine 60, up front "infactuation", "dont go " by yaz and other records.
wether they came from miami,london or new york, back then the beats were all diferent and the music was driven by baselines and above all things SOUL . ther was funk driving the records.ther was EMOTION being released and expresed though the music's tempo,harmonies,beats and the lyrics.
Freestyle, (called dance atthe time) was all early 80's "disco" or Roller rink and break dancing music.you would hear "i cant wait" back to back with jellybeans "side walk talk" to madonas "everybody" . "are you ready" back to back with "Holly dolly" or "Walking on sunshine" by Rockers revenge.sequel's "its not to late" to "Im losing you" by up town.
records thattoday you will only hear as they were meant to be heard in classic purist classic freestyle mixes.
of course not many people today will remeber all that,cuz they forgot with age or were to young even to remeber all this. the thing is also that all these records were just as big and pop as a record by sonique and poul okenfold are today. also the majority were rising out of the USA's street and club scene (that also over laped eachother).
so i hope this refreshes some people or helps ease the "drama" this post has created.
real artist, music and genres should not limit themselves. once long ago freestyle never did. and its time that a new generation of freestyle and dance artist shouldnt either.
like brit-fan posted..that rock has ballads too.
rock always has had ballads and hasnt excluded them from the rock world, like today's freestyle fans exclude material if it dont sound like the other guy with his "standards".
at this moment there is an AWSOME 80's rock ballad by Def Leapard called "love bites" that has been redone in a trance format.
and simply because of the mood, harmonies and Lyrical skill in the original ballad, the cover will get just as big as DJ samy's "heaven".
the key to that song is in the build up bridge when the words drop "i dont want to like you to much baby. Cuz making love to you will drive me CRAZY!!".
back to ballads...Freestyle artist were the only dance artist in numbers to have ballads.
in todays artist you dont see ballads coming from dance artist. youl see the spotlight on a dj ,before you see a ballad or a full blown developed dance artist. if you do its rare.
If freestyle artist of the past had any standards, it was to prove themselves beyond any style,tempo and cross over to any genre.
and they did. they didnt chase after a pop sound to get on radio.
THEY CREATED THE SOUND THAT BECAME POP(ULAR) ON DANCE AND TOP 40 RADIO.(They created the sound that producers that were behind artist like taylor dayne or Debbie Gibson,would use on their records to become cool ,cutting edge 80's bubble gum anthems).
It was only after the MAJORS of thattime got thier hands on freestyle artist that they made them sell out. EXPOSE turned into a wilson Phillips cop out with flower dresses bythe 3rd album. and many (For example: latin rascals album "When she goese") Had the Bigest freestyle hits on radio, but the vesrions most popular on radio, were not on the album. instead you found a more "pop" and "sutable" version that record execs thought would apeal more to the Mainstream. The maintream of the 80's was americas infactuated Rock anglo Audience.
And even with that, Freestyle people had a collective mind set of all genres of music from the past 30 years. from the ramones to the carpenters, to the eagles,to the sex pistols to george clinton, to latin jazz, R&b, you name it we knew it. Our generation knew about the world of music, although the world of music didnt know about our scene back then ,as it was only a baby.
but that was back then.
today, we have grown and learned from the past generations mistakes and failures.
its up to us to make sure we go beyond what they acheived and also not make the negative sides of history repeat themselves.
JONPITO
didnt we already go through this same topic like some months ago.?
i work with lewis martinee everyday and i asked him the same question a long time ago.(for those of you who dont know who that is, he was the creator of expose, had the erotic exotic band as the back up band before they went solo. was involved with techno lust who had that classic "woman". had his early 80group sequel burn up the club floors before the rest of the trios flourished. worked and produced groups as olga, paris by air, wild maries, voice n fashion and a whole mess of other artist from miami that became pop around the world of 80's club music).
his answer was.."that all those expose song were FREESTYLE songs. he just slowed down the tempo on some of them and with others created ballads".
those songs are FReestyle ballads.
"come into my arms" by judy torres was originally a ballad, but was sped up and released as a freestyle track.
there are diferent forms of freestyle.some slow some fast. some more street some more club. some more traditional others more electronic,others may be street driven (hiphop n Rnb influenced). alot of records also overlaped other genres.some overlaped from rap and R&B others overlaped to pop and Rock formats (usually spilling into the new wave and alternative scene). also alot of freestyle records came from bands or artist from other genres.
the awsome thing about freestyle always was that all the records were diferent and had diferent falvors to them, in hands of those who created them.
we didnt "label" everything that came out back then. we didnt have "BPM" STANDARDS. we didnt limit our sound or limit of what a freestyle artist was capable of.
for the same reason we had diferent waves of styles and trends from difenet regions and had longevety for the genre for many many years.
all this mentality of being creative was lost, as uneducated fans turned into producers and started limiting themselves with only what they knew. thats why in the freestyle of the 90's or in other cases may i add the traditional freestyle form coming from the tri-state area,..really hasnt made any major progress. everyone is to busy to trying not to go outside of "Standards" that were established by others who were not even in the freestyle/latin hiphop scene prior to 1988.Others are just to scared to take chances against the opinions of a few fans.
"i cant wait" by nu shooz was an awsome latin hiphop and club record of the early 80's period. as was "donkey jote" by magazine 60, up front "infactuation", "dont go " by yaz and other records.
wether they came from miami,london or new york, back then the beats were all diferent and the music was driven by baselines and above all things SOUL . ther was funk driving the records.ther was EMOTION being released and expresed though the music's tempo,harmonies,beats and the lyrics.
Freestyle, (called dance atthe time) was all early 80's "disco" or Roller rink and break dancing music.you would hear "i cant wait" back to back with jellybeans "side walk talk" to madonas "everybody" . "are you ready" back to back with "Holly dolly" or "Walking on sunshine" by Rockers revenge.sequel's "its not to late" to "Im losing you" by up town.
records thattoday you will only hear as they were meant to be heard in classic purist classic freestyle mixes.
of course not many people today will remeber all that,cuz they forgot with age or were to young even to remeber all this. the thing is also that all these records were just as big and pop as a record by sonique and poul okenfold are today. also the majority were rising out of the USA's street and club scene (that also over laped eachother).
so i hope this refreshes some people or helps ease the "drama" this post has created.
real artist, music and genres should not limit themselves. once long ago freestyle never did. and its time that a new generation of freestyle and dance artist shouldnt either.
like brit-fan posted..that rock has ballads too.
rock always has had ballads and hasnt excluded them from the rock world, like today's freestyle fans exclude material if it dont sound like the other guy with his "standards".
at this moment there is an AWSOME 80's rock ballad by Def Leapard called "love bites" that has been redone in a trance format.
and simply because of the mood, harmonies and Lyrical skill in the original ballad, the cover will get just as big as DJ samy's "heaven".
the key to that song is in the build up bridge when the words drop "i dont want to like you to much baby. Cuz making love to you will drive me CRAZY!!".
back to ballads...Freestyle artist were the only dance artist in numbers to have ballads.
in todays artist you dont see ballads coming from dance artist. youl see the spotlight on a dj ,before you see a ballad or a full blown developed dance artist. if you do its rare.
If freestyle artist of the past had any standards, it was to prove themselves beyond any style,tempo and cross over to any genre.
and they did. they didnt chase after a pop sound to get on radio.
THEY CREATED THE SOUND THAT BECAME POP(ULAR) ON DANCE AND TOP 40 RADIO.(They created the sound that producers that were behind artist like taylor dayne or Debbie Gibson,would use on their records to become cool ,cutting edge 80's bubble gum anthems).
It was only after the MAJORS of thattime got thier hands on freestyle artist that they made them sell out. EXPOSE turned into a wilson Phillips cop out with flower dresses bythe 3rd album. and many (For example: latin rascals album "When she goese") Had the Bigest freestyle hits on radio, but the vesrions most popular on radio, were not on the album. instead you found a more "pop" and "sutable" version that record execs thought would apeal more to the Mainstream. The maintream of the 80's was americas infactuated Rock anglo Audience.
And even with that, Freestyle people had a collective mind set of all genres of music from the past 30 years. from the ramones to the carpenters, to the eagles,to the sex pistols to george clinton, to latin jazz, R&b, you name it we knew it. Our generation knew about the world of music, although the world of music didnt know about our scene back then ,as it was only a baby.
but that was back then.
today, we have grown and learned from the past generations mistakes and failures.
its up to us to make sure we go beyond what they acheived and also not make the negative sides of history repeat themselves.
JONPITO
Kenny Guido
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Brit' fan said:
That's what I'm sayin!!!! Why is everyone so ignorant in not wanting FREESTYLE to branch out with other genres? They want to keep to one sound. Ive always called them "FREESTYLE BALLADS" but many are quik to bash that theory and want to pigeon hole it to just "FREESTYLE". now you know why most artists dont like it when people call thier work "FREESTYLE".
Kenny Guido
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JONPITO said:
thank you!!!!!