evolution of freestyle???????????

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For several years people have said that freestyle has to change, it has to evolve, it has to transform. But, why? I don't see anyone telling metallica that they have to add a sax or an oboe to their rock music. And as far as salsa and merengue, they have basically stayed the same for generations. I really don't see what is so wrong with the "classic sound." No body complains when Chris Barbosa puts out another lamond record that sounds the same. Why? BECAUSE THEY ARE GREAT RECORDS! What we need are more producers like Chris who take pride in their work and put out great songs. Real singing, real harmonies, great arrangements. The producers who produce with one finger playing and call it freestyle are doing a disservice to freestyle. They either need to stop making freestyle records or learn how to play! Good records are good records and that's what it should boil down to. So for all those that continue to say that "freestyle has to evolve" what I think they should be saying is why don't these producers put out records with real singers that know how to sing, and why aren't these producers putting quality songs out. Now, this is only my opinion and I am no expert but I try to put my all into every record that I put out. I like the Classic sound and I don't see anything wrong with it. So the next time I hear someone listening to a good rock record with a bass, electric guitar and drums I will make sure NOT to tell them that basic rock has not evolved much over the years and that it is tired and must change. Kudos to all my fellow colleagues. Keep putting out great records. Luis Santana
 
I agree with both of you guys but remember that it was this very generation that tried to put Freestyle six feet under...

I say we get rid of them and start over...

Man I gotta stop thinking like Hitler!

Let's have some understanding here....Remember guys that Freestyle was something totally new when it came out. Comparing it to music of other genre's thats been around for ages is not logical... I'm sure that when Perez Prado (circa 1950's & 60's) hit America with Latin songs(Cha Cha Cha, Mambo, Salsa,etc..), that generation took some time to embrace it... My Father used to play with Eddie Palmieri in the 60's and that generation hated Latin music until we taught them how to dance the freakin' thing....

How about that guy who sung "Rock around the clock" it was the first true Rock n' Roll song...Kids loved it & parents hated it..So much that they boycotted many of his records...Same thing with Elvis that's why they occassionally made him sing slow songs to appeal to the older generation so that they can say that he is not a renegade wild boy.

The kids of today don't wanna hear love stories they wanna hear bullshit stories!(Today's Rap Music) I'm not knocking the rythym just the lying "so called" artists that dream about doing something wild & making a song out of it.

Anyway the point is that it takes time for people to mature and figure out that music, no matter what kind it is may find a place in their hearts because of life experiences...(something to relate to..)

Let's find a solution here...

It would be wonderful to go back to the early days of Freestyle...But alas, it seems to me that no one wants to chance it because they don't want to face the outcome or they really don't know their a$$e$ from their mouths.....

I think that artists that have success in other genre's of music to fall back on can open the door because it wouldn't be much of a loss for them...

Plus-

We also got to figure out: Who determines what we want to hear?

Once we got that figured out, we can go forward!
 
Although many times 'change' means 'evolution'....with Freestyle Music unfortunately as of late, it has meant "regression"...hence the term that i like to use..."regressive freestyle" *LOL*
 
LMAO

Arturo said:
Although many times 'change' means 'evolution'....with Freestyle Music unfortunately as of late, it has meant "regression"...hence the term that i like to use..."regressive freestyle" *LOL*
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Regressive FreeStyle: how apropos!

Good one, Arturo.

- Fernando Benitez from San Diego, CA -
 
dude,METALLICA has changed. so did Aerosmith. so did SANTANA. ROCK MUSIC HAS CHANGED, in case you didnt notice. FREESTYLE Has to do the same thing if it wants to continue to live.
 
luis santana said:
...So for all those that continue to say that "freestyle has to evolve" what I think they should be saying is why don't these producers put out records with real singers that know how to sing, and why aren't these producers putting quality songs out. Now, this is only my opinion and I am no expert but I try to put my all into every record that I put out. I like the Classic sound and I don't see anything wrong with it.
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I have posted several times in the past that Freestyle has to evolve...again. It was once a great force from 1986 to 1991. I believe that the first stage of evolution was when the Freestyle sound became less pop and more underground, around 1998. I completely agree with you that poor-quality songs with "one-finger playing" and crappy vocals have plagued Freestyle. And that's one of the first things that need to change. I would also add that something as fundamental as decent sound quality and fidelity has not been met with a lot of these Freestyle recordings. When I first began to hear records with poor sound quality, I thought these were an exception, but it became a sign of things to come.

I like the Classic sound, too. But I got tired of listening to Old School. It's like Oldies to me now. It's only fun if you hear it once in a while. A lot of New School tried to duplicate the Classic sound, but failed miserably. There have been a few gems, but they couldn't succeed in the masses with a style that was abandoned a long time ago. Only true fans will take the effort to find these songs. And still, not one song has recaptured the pop feel of 1986-1988 that was crucial to Freestyle's early success.

When some Freestyle began incorporating Trip Hop and Bass elements, radio once again, started paying attention. This newfound style brought many great new hits and artists. But once again, poor production and writing has appeared among this style, as well.

Freestyle has to keep on evolving. When the fans and radio stations get violated with a lot of badly-produced songs, it's time for some creative producers, writers, and artists to add another unique element to the genre to win back attention.
 
*~~AMEN LUIS~~*

Preach on brother Luis :
LOL >> I love the style you and your bro have, don't ever change it...Ps. I can't for you to release Freestyle freshkids vol2..and Susan Santiago's new album, Why isn't your website ready yet? : (
Jam of the day: (in memory of freestyle nation BB)
Myrna-li "Still I cry" <<<old school flava baby
 
anther band that changed was my very own neighbor BRIAN SETZER. 20 years ago, he was in the punk/pop band "STRAY CATS". Now he is in the group THE BRIAN SETZER ORCHESTRA (doing......well....i dont know exactly what they call it). He changed with the times!
 
change is good....

JOTD: "CHANGE" by Noel
 
Fernando, the reason i like the term "regressive freestyle" is because i see it much more fitting than the term "progressive freestyle"...The term "progressive" is derived from the noun "progress" which means advancement toward a goal or to a higher stage...something that i just don't feel is the case with the "trip-hop" sound...and therefore, that makes it undeserving of the term "progressive freestyle".
 
"regressive" means going back to something. "progress" is moving forward to something new. all you old schoolers want the first.
 
ahhhh hellll!

progressive,transgressive,aggressive,old,new,sampled,composed,processed,remixed>>>>>>>doesnt mean shit if there isnt more of it coming.>Lets just make some good ass freestyle and then judge if we like it and what we should label it.Doesnt anyone do music from their heart anymore?Do what u feel inside and if you are true to yourself and the music im sure it will no doubt be freestyle music.Since when did FREE-style music have so many UN FREE rules sigh!
kF
 
I don't call myself an 'expert" either. But I do know the industry enough to make a comment on this post.

Keeping the old school sound is cool. Its the sound that the majority of the true freestyle fans loved. But don't expect to get any radio airplay and don't expect to get respected in the music industry. Its a damn shame, but its the truth. Radio won't play a new song that has a sound thats 15 years old. This isn't me talking, this is what music people tell me.

You mentioned Metallica and made it sound like they haven't changed. Listen to "Master of Puppets" from 1987 and listen to their latest cd and tell me it didn't change. They've changed dramatically and have taken alot of critism from their true fans because of it. Aerosmith has been around for 25 yrs, but they've changed as well. The only group that i know that never changed and is STILL successful is AC/DC ...lol damn i love that group..lol

You also mentioned how George Lamonds music hasn't changed...UNFORTUNATELY what was the latest Lamond freestyle track to get radio airplay ?? "Look into my eyes" and "Loves Contagious" from 1991/92.

If you decide to stay with the old school sound, you'll have my support and true respect as being a loyal old schooler. But it won't help the "PROGRESSION" of this music we call freestyle.
 
Make 2 or 3 versions.

I'm with Budz. I've been saying how much i like progressive style. But I like the classic style, too. But a new song in the Old School style has a more limited fan base and much less potential for success.

I propose that every Freestyle song made in the Old School style have some progressive freestyle or house remix. But those remixes should be of as high a quality and as smooth as the original; not some quick whatever job. For example, there were 2 main Freestyle mixes of Jocelyn Enriquez's "I've Been Thinking About You". Both sounded great. But the more popular version is the one with the Electrobass beat.
 
Big Ups! To Johnny Budz

I understand what you are saying with the radio stations that are not going to play 15 year old music...

But.. isn't most of today's so called music are songs that are redone/sampled/voiced over, etc... from the past?

I think Freestyle has always been for the mature crowd... And maybe when these kids grow up they would probably be looking for alternate music...

I think we should go on doing what we are doing...

Since this site has gone up I've seen many clubs having Freestyle nights...So who knows what will happen next???


Every genre of music averages about a 10 year span before people get tired of hearing it...

I know that I will love Freestyle to the end & will tell my grandkids about it...
 
Yes "regressive" means to go back...but not necessarily in style, but in quality... Like i said before, "progressive" implies advancement toward a goal or to a higher stage...and certainly one cannot say that the trip-hop sound is at a higher stage than the classic sound, when this trip-hop sound tends to sound much darker, and primitive than the classic sound. Note that it is not the case with all the trip-hop or so-called "progressive" songs, since there are some "trip-style" songs that are good songs, but in general this sound does represent a step back for the Freestyle Culture.
 
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