Do you know enough to justify going to war with Iraq?

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you know it harry...it drives me nuts when people out there wanna feel safe, want to live normal lives instead of living in fear but when the time comes to rid ourselves of one of our biggest enemies, a man who would love to see another 9-11 here, they picket and march against a PREVENTIVE measure...he will not disarm unless he is DISARMED, period..he has been playing us for 12 years, all the while hiding things and building more. did you see where just the other day that many, many iraqi troops already came out surrendering when they thought the war had started...kissing the U.S. soldiers hands and thanking them. they feel safer with us than their own president..they do not want to fight us, they want to surrender and become our prisoners and the only reason they sit on the lines is cuz they will be killed if they dont. how terrified they were when the U.S. soldiers told them they had to go back cuz there was no war as of yet...unreal. it has been widely reported that top iraqi government officials as well as military people are just waiting for the invasion to surrender to us, turn their backs on their president and help us find saddam...what does that tell you??
 
True that Mario. I'm getting impatient and fed up with this diplomacy BS. It's amounting to nothing. The same countries that want to stall are still stalling. I say go at with the other allies that will do it with the U.S. We don't need permission from the UN for anything. In fact, no country should bend to the will of the UN. It's full of cowards and appeasers. Obviously no one reads their history.

I can tell you a little something about surrendering Iraqi troops. I had to watch over a few during the first Gulf War. A lot of them will surrender and a lot of them will fight. But the U.S. and it's allies have to do what has to be done. Period.

Harry
 
Thank you Harry and Mario, I became worried about the thoughts and actions of a few.
CF'ers I would like to state that although CF is a speak your mind form of media as is your 1st Amendment rights, this does not mean that someone is NOT watching and archiving and recording who and what is said.
little said,Well said> You like where you're at then BACK where you're at. People like having the option of Driving,Biking,or riding, or even cybering through their lives. Well don't you want the same for your kids and family? You see it may NOT be now, but sometime in the future, IF we DON'T rid ourselves of Terrorism(or atleast try) Your familys will be living in MUDHUTS and depending on Camels or the sandles on your feet to help you reach your destination. You may NOT agree with the President but do not spit in his face in front of our enemies. If our loyalty is not with the President, let it be for Our Country. People, SET THE EXAMPLE and you will be respected for it. Sit back and just watch and you will soon be living in MUDHUTS and depending on Camels or the sandles on your feet to help you reach your destination.

From The Desk of NYPRCAN: In LAYMANS terms> If I go clubbing with you and I get into a fight, I would expect you to have my BACK. I would hate to look around for your help and see you running out of the area or worse, to see you standing in the crowd and NOT acknowledging that you know me.
 
NYPRCAN said:
Thank you Harry and Mario, I became worried about the thoughts and actions of a few.
CF'ers I would like to state that although CF is a speak your mind form of media as is your 1st Amendment rights, this does not mean that someone is NOT watching and archiving and recording who and what is said.
little said,Well said> You like where you're at then BACK where you're at. People like having the option of Driving,Biking,or riding, or even cybering through their lives. Well don't you want the same for your kids and family? You see it may NOT be now, but sometime in the future, IF we DON'T rid ourselves of Terrorism(or atleast try) Your familys will be living in MUDHUTS and depending on Camels or the sandles on your feet to help you reach your destination. You may NOT agree with the President but do not spit in his face in front of our enemies. If our loyalty is not with the President, let it be for Our Country. People, SET THE EXAMPLE and you will be respected for it. Sit back and just watch and you will soon be living in MUDHUTS and depending on Camels or the sandles on your feet to help you reach your destination.

From The Desk of NYPRCAN: In LAYMANS terms> If I go clubbing with you and I get into a fight, I would expect you to have my BACK. I would hate to look around for your help and see you running out of the area or worse, to see you standing in the crowd and NOT acknowledging that you know me.
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Very well said my love and God Bless you and all our troops.

No war can ever be justified, because killing can't be justified, but since I can't stop the war myself, I sure as hell am going to support my Country, because I love my freedom, I love that my children have that freedom, and I am all for the protection of THAT freedom.
 
NYPRCAN said:
If our loyalty is not with the President, let it be for Our Country.
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I support my country & troops 100% but it makes me sick when people refer to that weasel as "president"
 
Justify- Not really! This does not mean I don't support the troops
First, Bush claimed that there are WMD in Iraq but we haven't found any yet even though we almost got everyone from the old Iraqi regime. Next, in his state of the union address stated that Iraqi was trying to purchase Uranium from Sudan but when a CIA operative investigated the fact, she said that they were not. That when they revealed her identity to a CNN correspondent and tried to silence her. In addition, we don't have world support and it is important to work with other. Osama Biden should be our main objective in this war against terrorism because he is still trying to plan many attacks. Most of the 9/11 attackers were from Saudi Arabia and we haven't pressure them enough to crack down on terrorist in their own country. The economy on the rebound but we have a big debt instead of a surplus in the Clinton era. Furthermore, there are plethora of other issues that he need to resolve such as the North Korea crisis, Israel and Palestine, etc. The World trade organization which Bush agree upon has cost this country countless of job because most of these jobs are going over sea due to cheap labor.
 
Vice president Chaney's company before he took office is now being investigated as Enron and Worldcom. Bush also took plenty of software money from companies that support such as the Oil companies in his state.

Trust no one, look at the fact carefully and even do some research because that well open your eyes.
 
Politics equals Bullshit.

There's those that are against the war, those that are for the war, and those that don't even give a shit about what goes on.

There's those that are educated, those that are uneducated, and those that don't have any clue what-so-over and believe any and every word they are fed.

As an American, you are given the right to free speech. Use it. You are given the right to speak your mind whenever and however you choose. If I want to call President Bush "an uneducated piece of trash who's feeding off of this war", than I should be able to without ridicule. If I want to say that President Bush and his administration lied to us about the initial reason of going to Iraq, I should be able to as an American. On the contrary, I will respect what you have to say. You have the right to defend your "role model", but I may not agree with you.

I don't have to agree with what's going on in Iraq today. I don't have to agree with the actions of our President and our military. I don't have to agree with what I see and hear on the news. I don't have to agree with what I read here on Club Freestyle. I don't have to agree with shit if I don't want to.

I grew up in a military family. My parents never once told me that I would be better off in the military. Never. And I'm glad. I didn't want go into the military.

I'd rather fight for something I believe in, rather than fight for something that was thrown in my face and was forced to believe.

But, from one American to another, make your own decisions. Don't believe everything you see and hear. Don't be a puppet. And vote (even if the system is phucked up and outdated).
 
cArLiToS WaY,
I totally agree with you. Look, listen and make your own decision base on your knowledge and understand of the situation.
 
YEs, well communicated! SEITZ, CIVIC and CARLITO for your attempt at slapping your US President in the FACE.
I am an American Soldier,Fighting in the forces that protect our country and OUR WAY OF LIFE!
Look at the future NOT just the PRESENT. My tactical and technical knowledge of OUR military history is what keeps me holding my head up high and knowing that I give back to my country and NOT just criticizing from the outside looking in. As a military soldier I've become saddened with the questions asked by many that are NOT willing to adhere to the call of their country. (USA) :-(
True you are given the right to free speech, but lets disect the right of free speech and how did it become a right? You are born an American>BAM> You have the right to free speech! You bad mouth your Leader the President of the free world. Hurrah!, You've used your right to free speech. The enemies that hear you using your free speech, hold on to it and quote you, after they run a plane in your towers. Hmm? HURRAH?? There are actions that have consequences and responsibilities, words can take down a company, a unit of soldiers,and even a country. Please understand your words are being READ by MANY and PLEASE do NOT underestimate our President! Your views are in a neighborhood of your own minds. Our Presidents' views although are misunderstood are in the view of the GLOBAL neighborhood. Your words are being recorded, of course you did know that EVERYTHING on the internet is being watched and READ? You may be a security risk and in my field of work..You may be an interior rebel amongst us. True you have the right to state your own opinions but opinions are not directed at anyone. Your statements are directed towards the President and about the President. To call your President a weasel makes me wonder why our ancestors fought for our country? Was it to allow you or any other AMERICAN to BAD MOUTH our country?
BTW , The Law mandates that you register with the selective services when you hit 18, and remember THE DRAFT can still be implemented!
 
NYPRCAN,
I understand your point of view but it not direct toward the president, we just want the honest truth. I give my sincere respect to our troops who are serving for this country. You could respect someone but disagree with his/her action. I respect the president but disagree with his action(s). yes, I am register with the Selective service and will go to war if they draft me instead of one (wink) who didn't go during the vietnam war. That what make this country so great the right to free speech 1st amendment. If we listen to what everyone else is telling us what to do than we're just being a puppet. In addition, I know they are watching us and recording what we do the CIA, FBI, etc. They have been given so much power over there own citizen. We not threaten anyone but exercising our free speech. Remember we are not alone, this world is full of other people who views are important as the ours. Questions- We know someone of these our country North Korea, Iran, and Syria have nuclear, biological weapon, chemical but why haven't they paid the consequences? North Korea is telling us they have it for sure. The UN reported that Iran was having a secret nuclear program last week and who was suspected of supplying them Pakistan. Syria always been supporting Palestinian suicide bombers.
 
Nyprcan..... I am looking at the future & that's the scary part..... I want my parents who will be retiring soon to have their social security money that they worked 50 years for & not have it drained to fight this so called terrorism...... I want my daughter to have a choice when it comes to her own body & u can't deny that Bush & his assorted cronies are leaning toward reversing roe vs wade..... I want this world to be a safer friendlier place & this administration's foreign policies just plain ol suck..... the world is showing more hatred towards america because of Bush...... I want a president that doesn't abuse his power & take advantage of the american people to push his own agendas.....
 
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