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a pattern i've noticed with a lot of freestyle songs, especially judy torres...

is the 3rd beat of every bar in a freestyle song supposed to have no beat hitting down? i havent heard a lot of freestyle songs that have the percussion hitting on the 3rd beat, so is a sort of rule of how the beats go?
 
Very interesting thought!!!!!!! I'd have to say off hand, I agree, the majority of freestyle songs would not have a beat on 3!!!!!! Exceptions OTTOMH could be....

"For Tonight" Nancy Martinez
"Stop Playing On Me" Vikki Love
"Into My Secret" Alisha
"Jump Back" Dhar Baxton
"I Can't Wait" Nu Shooz
"Dancing In My Sleep" Secret Ties

and some others..... I'd have to listen to be sure!!!!!!! 🙂 Gonna give it some more thought!!!!!

Sietz
 
how is for tonight freestyle? i thought it was miami pop. but i think the pattern's pretty cool tho, especially when the beat's really complicated but nothing at all falls on the 3rd (like no reason to cry)
 
tran,

"For tonight" was freestyle.
It was miami freestyle. its came in many forms.
(miami dance was freestyle. the miami sound (even what gloria estefan incorpotaed on "dr.beat" was freestyle and freestyle influenced.).

saying it isnt freestyle is like saying company b's "fascinated" or tiger moons "somthing tells me" or amaretos "clave rocks" "I cant wait" by nu shoes,and so many others isnt freestyle also.

all freestyle records didnt all have the same beat patern. many of em also had a basic dance beat, but would be driven by either the basslines, percusion, or melodies.

also...nancy martinez wasnt really latin or from miami..originally she was a chic from canada. like many..passed as latin and rose out of miami's scene to be more accepted.

i also studied freestyle records and am 2 inches away from geting into production (my own). i study the records and talk one on one with many of those who have produced and spun the classics.i have been in the reording studio for many years now, studying, engineering and assisting others.I know what im talking about.

(if you must know..i studied under lewis martinee (expose,sequel,etc), oscar Llord (president of sony discos), Jorge ojeda, and so many others,mostly pioneers.both old school and nu-freestyle breaks producers. also....i got into freestyle wheni was 7 years old in 83 and have been studying it ever since.it is my life and willbe till i die).



It is true what you said about the 3rd beat of every bar. or even the tructure of some records and the measures, bpm etc..

But true freestyle came in all forms. not all were the same.

imean if you really wanted to get techincal....Judy tore's' "no reason to cry" isnt freestyle..its a latin hiphop record. as it was origanally called. the term FREESTYLE..is that of the records that were actually more electro driven.....(see pretty toni butler).

but anyway...not all freestyle records held the same drum pattern. but alot also has to do with its popularity. alot of people who later baceme producers would recognize a record like judy tores's "Come into my arms" or "no reason", etc..and copy that pattern in future records, aposed to the not so poular "for tonight" by nancy martinez. many would follow that and say "oh, thats not freestyle cuz it doesnt sound like so and so".

i mean one day the same thing happend,but this peson did it with a planet rock beat record. then you had hords of people listening to planet rock freestyle records,copying them and people sayingif it didnt have a planet rock beat it wasnt freestyle.if it didnt have the orchestra hit or the word repeating after every verse,it wasnt freestyle. in some cases..(belive it or not) it got so bad that they started believing expose wasnt freestyle, but pop dance.

so yes your right, but freestyle records also came in many forms and didnt alwasy have to corbon copy each other.

personally,if i come out with a record tomorow and i make one lil change in a drum pattern or synth and someone has the balls to unclainm me from being freestyle or critizising my record cuz it doenst sound like f*cking johnny o,
ill tell em to shove it. who are they to say, especially when i lived over halph my life devoted to the genre.

(im not specifically saying or relating this to you, but in general. who are people to judge and critisize. allit does is exclude good records out of our genre history and exclude new records from becoming our future anthems.).

anyway..peace

JONPITO
D'luna the china doll
nextstep/jellybean recordings/sony discos
 
sietzsound...damn those are good records.

"dancing in my sleep" OMG!!

see..i recognize my people now,lol.


oh, tran........by the way..manyof those elements that are from prehistoric freestyle records...like the basic dance beat...
well in todays progressive house and trance records it is being used again, since they really getting tired of the four on the floor.
You will hear this in furure records to come, more easely, as well as freestyle bassleines and more harmonies. if breaks didnt bring back an electro and freestyle revival and place it next to trance records...soon a portion of progressive house records and trance records will sound more and more like early 80's freestyle and hi-nrg dance records.
its all happening as we speak.

JONPITO
 
one of the times i wonder why freestyle isn't something you can major in at university.

thanx jonpito, i didnt know there were so many factors to determining what songs are freestyle or not. so the 3rd beat doesnt always have to be off, it's just something thats very common - thanks a lot.🙂
 
belive it or not..in some universities they started to teach hiphop history as a credit class. due to its music and cultural and ethnical influences.

yet, no where in that history is it noted that new yoricans had alot to do with it in the late 70's and early 80's...freestyle being part of that whole movement in the early 80's.

yet our history is very complex, very rich. and it is just as important and developed just like hiphop rap did. the only diference is that we sang over the beats (some did rap and sing)and the bpms sped up.Instead of african americans it was prodominantly latins (hispanic and italians, others groups will join in in the years).

But they are seen as a whole respected genre..and we are forgoten about.

i wonder what they will say when they see nayobe singing on "crush groove" when they study early 80's hiphop on film.

JONPITO
 
You make some good points.Im sure you know that history is subjective to those who write it.As for Nayobe,she would be just seen as black.I know that her nationality is Cuban but in the US people go by race.
 
its been so long since i saw that movie...but from what i can remeber if im correct..she was auditioning for something and i think she sang "please dont go".

the movie reflected alot about young artist in the hood trying to make it.

in alot of those early 80's break dancing movies alot of freestyle people made apearances.

i hope sopmeone else who is more into movies than i am can back this up for me.just to confirm.

second, unfortunaltley this country tries to devide us all by race.
but what are you to do when your cousin is darker than you, your mother is blonde and your nephews are black. In freestyle...it was never about race, but ethnecity and bringing those that were not the same ethnicity into our world as well. it was always about being open.
that what it once tought people. no matter what this country says..we have to teach that again.unity

the music industry has alot to do with this also. they always market music into two worlds...white and black. rock and urban R&B. now that they are forced to see dance music..they always favor Europe and see it as a european thing....mostly imports.

But way before that there was us and before they knew how to market freestyle to the mainstream...we had unity and flavor pumping in everystreet corner and roller rink and disco in every major city of the united states of amercia.
and it was all American home grown dance music.

the industry is responsible..but last i checked..we are also industry and its time to make changes.

JONPITO
 
As for early 80's hip-hop films, Brenda K. Starr did a cameo in beat street. I tend to agree with Jonpito, but remember don't try to turn great music into someones thesis...
 
thanx again jonpito, sounds cool maybe i should rent that movie sometime. 🙂
 
kool.

im on my way to a club,lol.

tran, thank you. and i hope you find and enjoy those films.
one day our freestyle world will be recognized and the history to go with it.

but above all people should always remeber that music, no matter what..jazz, hiphop, classical, freestyle whatever...its a universal thing at the end and the eperience should be enjoyed and shared by all.

lol, thesis...sh*t i have a paper due on monday,lol.



Peace

JONPIO
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out soon: "Come with me", "Who are You".
 
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